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Palantir Goes to the Frankfurt School

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Re: Palantir Goes to the Frankfurt School

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Post by Der_Einzige »

eat_veggies wrote: post #19
Der_Einzige wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For another example of things staying the same far longer than they should within left-wing thought: Most of the "leftist cannon" still believes in psychoanalysis or it's increasingly absurd derivatives (schizoanalysis or analytic psychoanalysis being good examples). Not sure what to do about disproven bullshit being peddled as facts by parts of academia. I shouldn't have to argue with a PH.D in critical terror studi…

Is schizoanalysis an absurd derivative of psychoanalysis or a rejection of it?

Deleuze might tell you that it's a rejection but it's actually an absurd derivative of it.

Re: Palantir Goes to the Frankfurt School

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Post by Barrin92 »

bitwize wrote: post #13

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nobody here takes that seriously and the piece addresses this in the beginning.

"The term “Cultural Marxism” directly echoes the Nazi theory of “Cultural Bolshevism”; the early proponents of the Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory were more or less overt antisemites and white nationalists (Berkowitz 2003). However, in the 2000s and 2010s, right wing politicians and media personalities helped popularize it well beyond that sphere.[6] During the same time, it has gained traction in Silicon Valley, too. In recent years, several employees at prominent tech firms have publicly decried the influence of Cultural Marxists, while making complaints about “political correctness” or lack of “viewpoint diversity.”"

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Post by dnautics »

eat_veggies wrote: post #18
ImprobableTruth wrote: post #17

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>some guy's talk in which he analyzed programming languages through the lens of Lacanian psychoanalysis I really want to see this. Do you have a link?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22910702 I watched the entire talk and found it disappointing that the speaker just kind of buckets programming languages into different psychoanalytic vocab words based on their pop culture stereotypes. Hacker News ate it up because that talk demonstrates the exact neurotic compulsion to organize, classify, "understand," and kill, that the tech industry breeds.

I agree it was a little bit disappointing, and there's a ton of bullshit. But I did find it mildly entertaining and there is this great upshot that "there will always be a diversity of languages because people derive their enjoyment in different ways". By contrast, Uncle Bob not too long ago proposed that everyone converge on clojure as the 'final programming language'.

Re: Palantir Goes to the Frankfurt School

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Post by eat_veggies »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #21
eat_veggies wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is schizoanalysis an absurd derivative of psychoanalysis or a rejection of it?

Deleuze might tell you that it's a rejection but it's actually an absurd derivative of it.

Ok you're just asserting these things, and I'd like to hear your reasoning :)

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Post by _bxg1 »

lootsauce wrote: post #14

Last two paragraphs capture a very interesting dynamic. "Big data analytics could be said to constitute an authenticity jargon in this sense: although they treat the data set under analysis as having something like an unconscious, they eliminate the temporal gaps and spaces of ambiguity that drive psychoanalytic interpretation. In place of interpretation, data analytics substitutes correlations that it treats simply…

There's a school of thought that the descendants of expert-systems are the key to having auditable decision-making systems, where conclusions come from a composition of rules, and can therefore be explained (and corrected). There are lots of valid criticisms of this approach, but I have yet to see someone offer a compelling alternative.

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Post by daseiner1 »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #21
eat_veggies wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is schizoanalysis an absurd derivative of psychoanalysis or a rejection of it?

Deleuze might tell you that it's a rejection but it's actually an absurd derivative of it.

How much Deleuze have you read?

Re: Palantir Goes to the Frankfurt School

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Post by api »

lootsauce wrote: post #14

Last two paragraphs capture a very interesting dynamic. "Big data analytics could be said to constitute an authenticity jargon in this sense: although they treat the data set under analysis as having something like an unconscious, they eliminate the temporal gaps and spaces of ambiguity that drive psychoanalytic interpretation. In place of interpretation, data analytics substitutes correlations that it treats simply…

We can't allow algorithms, big data, and "AI" to be used to end-run the rule of law.

We (the USA) are supposed to be a "nation of laws and not of men." An algorithm is merely an artifact of human engineering, and so allowing algorithms to take the place of laws and due process is simply a roundabout way of putting the engineers of said algorithm into a position of arbitrary power. This is particularly true if the algorithm is a secret, can be modified without an audit trail (or can self-modify without auditability), or is inscrutable. Anything based on "deep learning" and the like is usually at least two of these three things.

Re: Palantir Goes to the Frankfurt School

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Post by api »

bitwize wrote: post #15
Der_Einzige wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For another example of things staying the same far longer than they should within left-wing thought: Most of the "leftist cannon" still believes in psychoanalysis or it's increasingly absurd derivatives (schizoanalysis or analytic psychoanalysis being good examples). Not sure what to do about disproven bullshit being peddled as facts by parts of academia. I shouldn't have to argue with a PH.D in critical terror studi…

Hackernews had a collective O-face about some guy's talk in which he analyzed programming languages through the lens of Lacanian psychoanalysis. Background: Lacan was the psychoanalyst that made other psychoanalysts go "knock it off, you're making us all look bad". A plagiarizer and narcissist who used his psychoanalytic ramblings to manipulate women into his bed, his psychobabble was even more inscrutable than the u…

Who is the Emperor?

If you mean Thiel it's my impression that people regularly talk smack about him around here. He's a really controversial figure to say the least.

Re: Palantir Goes to the Frankfurt School

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Post by bitwize »

api wrote: post #29
bitwize wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hackernews had a collective O-face about some guy's talk in which he analyzed programming languages through the lens of Lacanian psychoanalysis. Background: Lacan was the psychoanalyst that made other psychoanalysts go "knock it off, you're making us all look bad". A plagiarizer and narcissist who used his psychoanalytic ramblings to manipulate women into his bed, his psychobabble was even more inscrutable than the u…

Who is the Emperor? If you mean Thiel it's my impression that people regularly talk smack about him around here. He's a really controversial figure to say the least.

The one from the story about the new clothes.

It's a metaphor.

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