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Re: Redis Core Team Update

#21

Post by atombender »

sdesol wrote: post #7
antirez wrote: post #3

Both Madelyn and Zhao are terrific programmers. In case you wonder, they are not random people put there for reasons, like for example since Madelyn is a woman so there was some pressure to add she. She deserves this 100% and is one of the top Redis contributors of the last times, with deep technical knowledge in basically every aspect of Redis. The same for Zhao, he is simply impressive, can track bugs about complex…

You certainly leave some big shoes to fill, as shown in the quick stats below: https://imgur.com/QUPER9q https://imgur.com/RnlzECa but like you say, these aren't nobodies. However, I am curious to see how the pace will change (if at all), with you no longer doing the lion share of work.

What site are those screenshots from?

Re: Redis Core Team Update

#22

Post by majormajor »

phroobster wrote: post #17
miked85 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In case you wonder, they are not random people put there for reasons, like for example since Madelyn is a woman so there was some pressure to add she Kind of a strange thing to call out.

These are the times we live in. Thanks to widespread racist/sexist hiring practices, every time I see a woman or minority in an upper level position I can’t help but wonder if they are there because someone wanted to fill a diversity quota. The thought never even crossed my mind 10 years ago.

This is a bizarre claim. People getting labeled as "diversity hires" and being assumed to be less competent than their peers is a decades-old thing.

It wasn't even a particularly new observation when South Park literally named a character after it almost 25 years ago.

(Probably many of the same people getting labeled that way for holding high-level positions today were similarly judged in their entry-level positions back then! But if people are no longer suspicious of women or minorities in "regular" roles and resume their judgement for upper-level roles, I guess that's a change in the right direction, at least. :| )

Re: Redis Core Team Update

#23

Post by johnfn »

swagonomixxx wrote: post #9

What will be interesting to see is how Redis fares without Antirez. He was the heart and soul of the project. It also makes me think, what would Linux be when Linus decides to step away? I kind of don't want to think about it. Thank you to Antirez for all your hard work on Redis.

One of my favorite bits of trivia: What would Git be like if Linus stepped away? Oh yeah, he stepped away after a few months and Junio Hamano continued running it for the next 15 years[1] (!!).

[1]: https://github.com/git/git/graphs/contributors

Re: Redis Core Team Update

#24

Post by Supermancho »

majormajor wrote: post #22
phroobster wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are the times we live in. Thanks to widespread racist/sexist hiring practices, every time I see a woman or minority in an upper level position I can’t help but wonder if they are there because someone wanted to fill a diversity quota. The thought never even crossed my mind 10 years ago.

This is a bizarre claim. People getting labeled as "diversity hires" and being assumed to be less competent than their peers is a decades-old thing. It wasn't even a particularly new observation when South Park literally named a character after it almost 25 years ago. (Probably many of the same people getting labeled that way for holding high-level positions today were similarly judged in their entry-level positions…

> This is a bizarre claim.

https://techcrunch.com/2020/06/05/alexis-ohanian-steps-down-...

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/us/california-boardroom-g...

This isn't new news. Diversity hiring and promotion is all over, alongside the recent BLM relevance.

Re: Redis Core Team Update

#25

Post by bzb3 »

phroobster wrote: post #17
miked85 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In case you wonder, they are not random people put there for reasons, like for example since Madelyn is a woman so there was some pressure to add she Kind of a strange thing to call out.

These are the times we live in. Thanks to widespread racist/sexist hiring practices, every time I see a woman or minority in an upper level position I can’t help but wonder if they are there because someone wanted to fill a diversity quota. The thought never even crossed my mind 10 years ago.

This is very sad but I share your sentiment. Thanks for having the courage to write this comment.

Re: Redis Core Team Update

#26

Post by nojvek »

miked85 wrote: post #15
antirez wrote: post #3

Both Madelyn and Zhao are terrific programmers. In case you wonder, they are not random people put there for reasons, like for example since Madelyn is a woman so there was some pressure to add she. She deserves this 100% and is one of the top Redis contributors of the last times, with deep technical knowledge in basically every aspect of Redis. The same for Zhao, he is simply impressive, can track bugs about complex…

> In case you wonder, they are not random people put there for reasons, like for example since Madelyn is a woman so there was some pressure to add she Kind of a strange thing to call out.

Until you called out Madelyn as a she. I had no idea.

Fundamentally men and women have similar brain physiology, so an equal amount of compute and memory. Which would imply there are no differences when it comes to programming ability. It's just a matter of experience.

I'm glad HN doesn't have profile pictures and things.

Re: Redis Core Team Update

#27

Post by sdesol »

atombender wrote: post #21
sdesol wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You certainly leave some big shoes to fill, as shown in the quick stats below: https://imgur.com/QUPER9q https://imgur.com/RnlzECa but like you say, these aren't nobodies. However, I am curious to see how the pace will change (if at all), with you no longer doing the lion share of work.

What site are those screenshots from?

It's a product that I'm working on, which is focused on developer first metrics. I want to create software metrics, that developers can trust, which in turn can be used to properly gauge productivity and risk.

I've studied software metrics for quite sometime and they are widely despised by developers, because they are

a) not useful for developers

b) never put effort into context that can be discussed, vetted and refined.

What I'm trying to do is fix the stigma associated with software metrics, by focusing on how they can be used by developers. For example, code churn metrics can be used in a positive way for developers as the following example shows:

https://imgur.com/OMD8rFF

Without looking a single line of code, you can estimate the impact each commit will have, which can be useful for domain experts, team leaders, etc.

I'm hoping to have a version of the product that people can install via docker or on bare metal linux by the end of this month.

Re: Redis Core Team Update

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Post by [deleted] »

nojvek wrote: post #26
miked85 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In case you wonder, they are not random people put there for reasons, like for example since Madelyn is a woman so there was some pressure to add she Kind of a strange thing to call out.

Until you called out Madelyn as a she. I had no idea. Fundamentally men and women have similar brain physiology, so an equal amount of compute and memory. Which would imply there are no differences when it comes to programming ability. It's just a matter of experience. I'm glad HN doesn't have profile pictures and things.

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Re: Redis Core Team Update

#29

Post by dijit »

majormajor wrote: post #22
phroobster wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are the times we live in. Thanks to widespread racist/sexist hiring practices, every time I see a woman or minority in an upper level position I can’t help but wonder if they are there because someone wanted to fill a diversity quota. The thought never even crossed my mind 10 years ago.

This is a bizarre claim. People getting labeled as "diversity hires" and being assumed to be less competent than their peers is a decades-old thing. It wasn't even a particularly new observation when South Park literally named a character after it almost 25 years ago. (Probably many of the same people getting labeled that way for holding high-level positions today were similarly judged in their entry-level positions…

> This is a bizarre claim. People getting labeled as "diversity hires" and being assumed to be less competent than their peers is a decades-old thing.

The truth is that it kind of doesn't matter if it's new or not, it's a very hot subject right now and people are touchy about it.

I understand why; Women are facing a lot of abuse on the internet and it feels like many are coming forward with icky things that people have said/done.

On the other side it feels like there's been a cataclysmic overreaction- and many people get annoyed when we're asked to "make sure the next one you hire is a $under-represented" or getting overruled by HR when hiring otherwise.

(yes, this happened, and it was frustrating because the person we hired was not able to lead the project we needed and was hired anyway- she later left, burned out, nearly wrecked her career and I feel incredibly guilty for not being more vocal about it and keeping it mostly to myself for fear of being called a bigot)

Re: Redis Core Team Update

#30

Post by majormajor »

Supermancho wrote: post #24
majormajor wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a bizarre claim. People getting labeled as "diversity hires" and being assumed to be less competent than their peers is a decades-old thing. It wasn't even a particularly new observation when South Park literally named a character after it almost 25 years ago. (Probably many of the same people getting labeled that way for holding high-level positions today were similarly judged in their entry-level positions…

> This is a bizarre claim. https://techcrunch.com/2020/06/05/alexis-ohanian-steps-down-... https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/us/california-boardroom-g... This isn't new news. Diversity hiring and promotion is all over, alongside the recent BLM relevance.

Yes, there's been ongoing activism, hand-wringing, counter-activism, legislation, etc, in this space for several decades.

So claiming that it's a phenomenon of just the last decade as a way to justify suspicion of merit is very bizarre. Where have you all been?

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