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Portland approves 10% cap on fees that food delivery apps can charge restaurants

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Re: Portland approves 10% cap on fees that food delivery apps can charge restaurants

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I'd like to see this rule applied only if the delivery provider insists that the menu prices be the same with or without delivery.

Personally I think a provider of any 'value add' service being able to dictate the price without their service is insane.

Re: Portland approves 10% cap on fees that food delivery apps can charge restaurants

#22

Are any of these food delivery app services actually making profit right now, or are they just burning VC capital? A news podcast I listened to yesterday made the statement that every food delivery company is doing deliveries at a loss. This seems problematic for making delivery a viable business without forming a monopoly to get the scale required to make things profitable.

Nope, they don't make any profit even when charging 30% fees. So this 10% cap will probably cause them to withdraw from the market.

The issue is that there is a race to the bottom in terms of price. Effectively chasing margins in an already margin squeezed industry.

If you think about what a food delivery platform is doing - they are trying to service convenience for customers - they need to deliver on speed at the lowest cost possible. How do you do this when your task is labour intensive and there are few barriers to competitors? You’ve got to drive price down.

Likely there will be a period of consolidation until one service rules a region and then maybe a slow grind back up to profit.

Re: Portland approves 10% cap on fees that food delivery apps can charge restaurants

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post #17

In a country where tipping of 20% is the norm ... there is all of sudden a cap of 10% on what the delivery guy can make?

It's a cap on what the delivery company can charge the restaurant, not including what they charge the person doing the actual order.

Re: Portland approves 10% cap on fees that food delivery apps can charge restaurants

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post #17

In a country where tipping of 20% is the norm ... there is all of sudden a cap of 10% on what the delivery guy can make?

That's not what this is...? It's a cap on the commissions UberEats/Doordash/whatever can charge on an order. To, hopefully, prevent the commission structure from causing places to lose money on orders ($10 order with 20% Doordash; costs the restaurant $8.50; Doordash charges $2 commission; restaurant loses $.50 on the order)

Re: Portland approves 10% cap on fees that food delivery apps can charge restaurants

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post #17

In a country where tipping of 20% is the norm ... there is all of sudden a cap of 10% on what the delivery guy can make?

It caps the fee that the delivery service can take.

You can still tip the delivery person as much as you like.

Re: Portland approves 10% cap on fees that food delivery apps can charge restaurants

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

On paper it looks good, and given the players in the arena, there’s not much competition, especially since there’s a high bar of entry for new competition. Perhaps the idea behind not imposing such regulations is a free market argument, in which the most efficient price won’t be selected for, thereby not producing the optimal supply/demand. I would argue against this point that we would be assuming perfect competitio…

> In China, if I recall correctly, they have a food economy such that it’s cheaper to order take out, and have the food delivered, than actually cooking. Is this true? Here in London, a typical delivered meal would cost ~$20, whereas a weekly shop and cooking probably takes 5 hours/week, but costs only ~$2 per meal.

I believe so in some areas, but only because they are using kitchens/ingredients that cost less than restaurants or stores, IE located in bad areas, conditions/treatment worse for cooks, payment less for cooks, etc. Not something that should be supported but something that technology unfortunately makes possible and convenient

Re: Portland approves 10% cap on fees that food delivery apps can charge restaurants

#27
So as I understand it Deliveroo and Uber eats charge 25% of the food costs, plus delivery fees on top.

Uber eats I know is losing money and Deliveroo are losing a few hundred million per year on revenues of about $500m. Basically cutting the food percentage like this to 10% would imply delivery services are permanently unprofitable?

Why have all these restaurants signed up if 25% is so unfair?

Re: Portland approves 10% cap on fees that food delivery apps can charge restaurants

#28

So as I understand it Deliveroo and Uber eats charge 25% of the food costs, plus delivery fees on top. Uber eats I know is losing money and Deliveroo are losing a few hundred million per year on revenues of about $500m. Basically cutting the food percentage like this to 10% would imply delivery services are permanently unprofitable? Why have all these restaurants signed up if 25% is so unfair?

They haven't. Grubhub just scrapes business listings and pretends restaurants sign up.

https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/29/21113876/grubhub-seamless...

Re: Portland approves 10% cap on fees that food delivery apps can charge restaurants

#29
IMO regulation should be there to protect the smaller 'people' (small family businesses, or actual people) from abuse by larger entities, or to encourage socially beneficial change (which usually tends to benefit the smaller players anyway).

So this seems a win on my part.

Re: Portland approves 10% cap on fees that food delivery apps can charge restaurants

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Seems like a solid move Are any of these food delivery companies even making money? What will capping their fees do except make them lose even more?

Who should be losing money? The delivery apps or the restaurants?

Neither, a business that loses money is not a business.
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