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SUSE to Acquire Rancher Labs

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Re: SUSE to Acquire Rancher Labs

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Post by leonardteo »

omginternets wrote: post #11

I really liked the idea or RancherOS, but somehow it never quite lived up to its promise. In particular, the need to distinguish between root and non-root containers was surprisingly confusing in practice. It effectively broke the promise of “just worry about docker”. Has anyone here adopted it over the long term? What made it stick? Any ideas why SUSE would need/want this?

Not sure about RancherOS and how much it factored into the sale. It could end up merged/transitioned into some Suse-container OS offering

The enterprise K8S business is compelling, especially all the shops using metal/on-prem. I settled on using Rancher and RKE for production clusters just because it was the simplest way to get HA clusters up within minutes without a PhD in K8S.

But I think a lot of the work they are doing on the other parts of K8S are really interesting: K3S, for example, could become very popular for running on IoT and ARM. K3S really put a smile on my face. You just run it and boom, you have a K8S cluster.

Re: SUSE to Acquire Rancher Labs

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Post by jacques_chester »

omginternets wrote: post #11

I really liked the idea or RancherOS, but somehow it never quite lived up to its promise. In particular, the need to distinguish between root and non-root containers was surprisingly confusing in practice. It effectively broke the promise of “just worry about docker”. Has anyone here adopted it over the long term? What made it stick? Any ideas why SUSE would need/want this?

> Any ideas why SUSE would need/want this?

Momentum and credibility in Kubernetes land. Rancher has more of it. SUSE has a lot of experience in Kubernetes but hasn't gotten much credit for it or, I am guessing, many sales from it.

Disclosure: I work for VMware.

Re: SUSE to Acquire Rancher Labs

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Post by CraigJPerry »

SEJeff wrote: post #8
maratc wrote: post #6

The real news for me here is that SUSE still exists.

They're still quite popular in Europe and especially in Germany whereas Redhat has utterly dominated North America.

I’m in the UK and even though i have a SLED boxed media set somewhere from circa 2005 (YaST was cool, their Xen user experience beat any other distro at the time) - it was news to me that they’re still alive.

Anecdotally, i feel like RHEL dominates the UK enterprise linux market as well as NA

Re: SUSE to Acquire Rancher Labs

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Post by caiobegotti »

techntoke wrote: post #5

Makes a lot of sense to sell now since Rancher doesn't offer a lot of value anymore compared to vanilla Kubernetes and a few Helm charts.

Over half a billion of USD looks like real value to me, I wish I could make that much with vanilla Kubernetes and Helm charts. Let's be respectful for Rancher's fantastic exit.

Re: SUSE to Acquire Rancher Labs

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Post by candiddevmike »

bovermyer wrote: post #12

I'm very glad that SUSE bought it and not Red Hat (or Microsoft). This might give SUSE more inroads to the North American market, considering it's largely a European player at this point.

Why would Red Hat (who created OpenShift) want to buy an inferior competitor?

Re: SUSE to Acquire Rancher Labs

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Post by candiddevmike »

omginternets wrote: post #11

I really liked the idea or RancherOS, but somehow it never quite lived up to its promise. In particular, the need to distinguish between root and non-root containers was surprisingly confusing in practice. It effectively broke the promise of “just worry about docker”. Has anyone here adopted it over the long term? What made it stick? Any ideas why SUSE would need/want this?

SUSE just bought a golden ticket into the upper echelons of the CNCF. Rancher is also very profitable, way more than their kube offering.

Re: SUSE to Acquire Rancher Labs

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Post by anewlanguage »

omginternets wrote: post #18
mikepurvis wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried it briefly for homelab use and came to the same conclusion— I ended up feeling like I had a lot more of a safety net with a conventional Ubuntu/Docker/Portainer type setup than I did with Rancher.

Yup. I should have specified that mine was a homelab setup as well (and was several years ago). It’s a shame because I still feel there’s a gap between docker-compose and Kubernetes. I don’t have k8-size problems, but I do have well-beyond-docker-compose-size problems.

Docker Swarm fills that gap pretty well in my experience. The best part is that it's an almost trivial migration to move from Compose to Swarm. Swarm to K8s is not so easy, even with tools like kompose.

Re: SUSE to Acquire Rancher Labs

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Post by mugsie »

techntoke wrote: post #5

Makes a lot of sense to sell now since Rancher doesn't offer a lot of value anymore compared to vanilla Kubernetes and a few Helm charts.

The real value is the Install / Life Cycle orchestration - vanilla K8S has really marked that firmly as "not their problem" - which is the correct thing for them to do.

Re: SUSE to Acquire Rancher Labs

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Post by anthk »

mroche wrote: post #20
SEJeff wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're still quite popular in Europe and especially in Germany whereas Redhat has utterly dominated North America.

> Redhat has utterly dominated North America nods head Yup, sounds about right. SUSE is used pretty widely used in the European financial sector, right? That’s what I remember hearing the most about it. EDIT: I’m referring to non-personal workloads, i.e. enterprise. Pretty much everything I’ve come across in a working environment has been Red Hat based, I’m not talking about personal local or VPS environments. Ubuntu…

SuSE is big on HPC and big beasts.
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