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U.S. looking at banning Chinese social media apps, including TikTok

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Re: U.S. looking at banning Chinese social media apps, including TikTok

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Why would the app stores agree to do that? Apple in particular is pretty well-known for refusing invasive government requests.

Because it would be the law

Maybe I'm missing something about the proposal here. Requests from the Secretary of State don't usually carry the force of law.

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Just ask the app stores to ban them. The US couldn’t do anything more sophisticated right now, and that would solve most of their concerns.

Why would the app stores agree to do that? Apple in particular is pretty well-known for refusing invasive government requests.

What makes you say Apple is well-known for refusing invasive government requests? They’ve gladly been handling over all iCloud data for Chinese users to the CCP (meaning many of its users were unknowingly sharing all their sensitive videos/pictures/text with the authoritarian government). They’ve also been banning foreign apps from the Chinese App Store, and have similarly banned foreign apps in other countries, such as India.

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It is absolutely foolish for any country other than China to allow TikTok within their borders.

You might fairly ask whether or not it is equally foolish for non-US countries to use US services. I think that is also a reasonable question, and deserves reflection.

Re: U.S. looking at banning Chinese social media apps, including TikTok

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Why would the app stores agree to do that? Apple in particular is pretty well-known for refusing invasive government requests.

What makes you say Apple is well-known for refusing invasive government requests? They’ve gladly been handling over all iCloud data for Chinese users to the CCP (meaning many of its users were unknowingly sharing all their sensitive videos/pictures/text with the authoritarian government). They’ve also been banning foreign apps from the Chinese App Store, and have similarly banned foreign apps in other countries, such…

In the US, they've repeatedly refused the FBI's demands to help unlock people's phones. They seem to view censorship as the price of doing business in other countries; I'm not exactly happy about that, but as far as I can tell it doesn't transfer over to their attitude stateside.

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What would it mean to "ban" an app? Would they force Apple and Google not to distribute it? Would they set up a national firewall?

Just ask the app stores to ban them. The US couldn’t do anything more sophisticated right now, and that would solve most of their concerns.

>and that would solve most of their concerns.

on Android at least cirvumenting the Google Play store is quite feasible, see Fortnite most prominently.

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>I think the issue has nothing to do with it being Chinese, but with the extent at which it swallows up data on Americans But it's A-ok when NSA powered/hijacked/collaborated U.S. social media companies do the same to the rest of the world? I'm pretty sure PRISM didn't just get dismantled after Snowden. >Why even bother sending spies to another country and making plans for infiltration when you can get them to downlo…

This is just classic whataboutism. You should be careful of all of these companies as well. But you can't really equate the rule of law in both the countries in good faith. I really doubt criticism of Covid-19 handling lands you in jail in US. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/07/06/worl...

>But you can't really equate the rule of law in both the countries in good faith

Yes you can't because Americans aren't subject to Chinese law. What do you think is going to happen, the CCP send their best assassin over to get you because they didn't like your cat video?

You've got more to fear from the FBI trying to get into your iphone if they suspect you of a crime than a foreign government that doesn't have any jurisdiction over you.

this is just plain old populism and sinophobia and has nothing to do with privacy

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I think the issue has nothing to do with it being Chinese, but with the extent at which it swallows up data on Americans. Why even bother sending spies to another country and making plans for infiltration when you can get them to download a full spying suite under the guise of social media? The problem is this opens a whole new can of worms regarding Facebook and other American social media. Other countries are equal…

> Other countries are equally justified in banning them for the same reason. Sure, but what happens when all of our social connections to people in other countries are basically cut, or minimized to the point where they're not really fully fledged friendships anymore, somehow more distant than ever? I think what happens, ultimately, is that war becomes more possible, because otherizing and dehumanizing people becomes…

Governments don't care. We've still had war and conflict even with the internet. Networks like Facebook have made it even easier to otherize and dehumanize people in the same country. I mean, ISIS actively used (and probably still uses) social networks to radicalize and recruit people. Algorithms feed you content that politically aligns with you and they drive you into more exciting and farfetched stuff to get clicks and attention. Social networks are not going to stop a global conflict.

Re: U.S. looking at banning Chinese social media apps, including TikTok

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I think the issue has nothing to do with it being Chinese, but with the extent at which it swallows up data on Americans. Why even bother sending spies to another country and making plans for infiltration when you can get them to download a full spying suite under the guise of social media? The problem is this opens a whole new can of worms regarding Facebook and other American social media. Other countries are equal…

> Other countries are equally justified in banning them for the same reason. Sure, but what happens when all of our social connections to people in other countries are basically cut, or minimized to the point where they're not really fully fledged friendships anymore, somehow more distant than ever? I think what happens, ultimately, is that war becomes more possible, because otherizing and dehumanizing people becomes…

Social media connections with China are already as cut as they can be. (Remember that Tiktok itself is not allowed in China - Chinese users have to use a separate instance of the product named Douyin.)
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