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Uber wants to cut costs by shifting its engineering to India

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Re: Uber wants to cut costs by shifting its engineering to India

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Wouldn't it only be fair for us to be handing more jobs to those with greater need in countries like India? Share the wealth, right?

How about your job, do you volunteer to have it outsourced to a poor engineer? Would they do what you do as well?

Don't they have their own ridesharing companies? I don't see why they need uber's jobs, that wouldn't bring much wealth to them but to institutional American shareholders mostly.

Re: Uber wants to cut costs by shifting its engineering to India

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How does the SV crowd here see this? Considering that even entry web devs with only bootcamp experience often enough make >$100,000, outsourcing to India is a good idea, economically speaking. Could a successful outsourcing project by Uber threaten all SV tech jobs?

Uber is on top of a death spiral with covid, the kill lift strategy by being unprofitable not working, softbank... From the engineering point of view Uber is done. The self driving automation is probably not possible in the next x years. It has a working successful product probably too many developers now working on non-core projects. Moving it to India they can keep the same numbers employed reduce costs and probabl…

>Self driving research can be done India..

Or just not done. There's no reason for Uber to be working on self-driving at this point. Door to door fully autonomous driving in relatively dense areas--i.e. where it makes sense for Uber to operate--is decades away. Autonomous highway driving--which will probably arrive earlier (maybe much earlier)--does absolutely nothing for a would-be automated taxi service.

Re: Uber wants to cut costs by shifting its engineering to India

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How does the SV crowd here see this? Considering that even entry web devs with only bootcamp experience often enough make >$100,000, outsourcing to India is a good idea, economically speaking. Could a successful outsourcing project by Uber threaten all SV tech jobs?

No. To get the same amount of quality in india you’ll be paying roughly the same - and then have cultural and timezone barriers.

What about moving to Europe? Salaries in the UK, Ireland, Germany and the Netherlands are much lower than in the US, and even lower in Central/Eastern Europe. While the timezone barrier is still there (although lower than India), the work culture is basically the same as in the United States (except with more work-life balance).

Actually, why not Canada? Salaries are again much lower than Silicon Valley, the timezone is the same, the language is the same (except in Quebec), and it would be great to stop Canadian software engineers from moving to the US in droves due to lack of opportunities at home.

Re: Uber wants to cut costs by shifting its engineering to India

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How does the SV crowd here see this? Considering that even entry web devs with only bootcamp experience often enough make >$100,000, outsourcing to India is a good idea, economically speaking. Could a successful outsourcing project by Uber threaten all SV tech jobs?

No. To get the same amount of quality in india you’ll be paying roughly the same - and then have cultural and timezone barriers.

I think you are pretty wrong on that mark. I know fairly good devs in India who can't get a job because most pays so bad that they end up either switching the field or moving to somewhere abroad. Sometimes, they just wander around like ghosts on family money. Unlike US, it's not uncommon to spend your whole life with your parents/joint family.

To get a good job in India, you will need more than skills - connections and a limited edition degree.

Re: Uber wants to cut costs by shifting its engineering to India

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Well this has worked great for Boeing, a once great American engineering company.

On the other hand India has an excellent education system and highly skilled engineers, and any capital flow away from the five big cities in the world that sinks the vast majority of it can only be a good thing.

Re: Uber wants to cut costs by shifting its engineering to India

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How does the SV crowd here see this? Considering that even entry web devs with only bootcamp experience often enough make >$100,000, outsourcing to India is a good idea, economically speaking. Could a successful outsourcing project by Uber threaten all SV tech jobs?

Where are these boot camp web dev jobs starting out at $100K? If such jobs are plentiful, wouldn’t they be in area where the cost of living is so high that it would be better to live in a lower cost of living area with a lower salary?

Re: Uber wants to cut costs by shifting its engineering to India

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Shift innovation to India? Have they seen India's track record on tech innovation? The education system there does not produce very innovative people or engineers. However they are great at following exact instructions so I'm sure that part of engineering team will do well

I am from Hyderabad and one of my friend works at Uber Engineering here. From what I understand, the quality of engineers matches to that of his US counterparts, if not better. He got his degree from IIT, a tier 1 college in India.

I agree that India has not been the best in terms of tech innovation but the situation is changing. The start up ecosystem is booming here and investments are following too.

Re: Uber wants to cut costs by shifting its engineering to India

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How does the SV crowd here see this? Considering that even entry web devs with only bootcamp experience often enough make >$100,000, outsourcing to India is a good idea, economically speaking. Could a successful outsourcing project by Uber threaten all SV tech jobs?

Good for India if it works out, I guess. But it feels - to my uninformed biased mind - like more of Uber flailing around while slowly failing. > Could a successful outsourcing project by Uber threaten all SV tech jobs? No. It could be part of some downward pressure at worst. Outsourcing to India has gone on for 2-3 decades. It's not some new disruptive thing.

> Outsourcing to India has gone on for 2-3 decades. It's not some new disruptive thing.

I guess what's different here is that Uber is a proper tech company and knows how to identify good engineers to hire. The same cannot be said of non-tech companies that have outsourced to consultancies like Infosys and Wipro.

Re: Uber wants to cut costs by shifting its engineering to India

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India is well suited for building and supporting applications like this since it has an extremely good talent pool that can manage and deploy solutions. Uber app in itself is not that difficult to operate and hence I strongly believe this is the right thing for shareholders.

Re: Uber wants to cut costs by shifting its engineering to India

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Wouldn't it only be fair for us to be handing more jobs to those with greater need in countries like India? Share the wealth, right?

Assuming this question is asked in good faith, this is obviously not the right way or anyone's idea of distributing wealth. And ultimately this is for Uber's profit, not the good of India.
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