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Re: Where Am I? NYTimes or Google?

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post #4

The shenanigans Google been doing to the url bar is super hostile. Trying to copy the domain of a url without the protocol just infuriates me.

Not defending that change, but when do you ever need to copy just the domain instead of the full URL?

Always. Main reason I cut something is I want to paste the hostname into a terminal so it can be an argument of whois or dig or traceroute or whatever, in no case have I ever been glad of the scheme prefix.

Re: Where Am I? NYTimes or Google?

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I truly hope whoever keeps pushing AMP such as it is has to birth a hedgehog backwards. I mean, at least add some way to opt out of this shit. This is why I don’t use Google as my mobile search engine. I honestly still would if my browser allowed me to disable or bypass it, but nope. No extensions for me because Apple won’t allow for anything like that. /rant

I'm wondering about this as well? Who was it?

I'm pretty sure there were many internal discussions as to why/how to push this change. I'm surprised that those haven't been leaked.

Re: Where Am I? NYTimes or Google?

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post #2

Yes this has been a big issue for a very long time now. Google wants to push a release where it will display the hostname of the amp site even if the content is being served from google.com[1]. Mozilla (and Apple) are strictly against it and thank god for Mozilla. If Google had a bigger market share this would already be something we would have been living with. I'm sure there are better sources for this, but here is…

Well, it's the going opinion of HN for years that the main problem with AMP is it shows the actual origin instead of the proxied origin. Lying about the URL is something hundreds of HN comments have angrily demanded.

Re: Where Am I? NYTimes or Google?

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being completely against AMP for obvious reasons, I'm personally not against signed exchanges itself, this feature could spawn a whole new class of decentralised and harder to censor web hosting, that sounds like a great addition.

Going to also spawn a whole new class of semi-persistent malicious pages (say created via XSS) that once signed and captured can be continuously replayed to clients until expiration.

I don't see how this tech would further help to make malicious pages created with XSS, any thoughts? It sounds like it's the same issue with or without signed exchanges.

Re: Where Am I? NYTimes or Google?

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post #24
post #2

Yes this has been a big issue for a very long time now. Google wants to push a release where it will display the hostname of the amp site even if the content is being served from google.com[1]. Mozilla (and Apple) are strictly against it and thank god for Mozilla. If Google had a bigger market share this would already be something we would have been living with. I'm sure there are better sources for this, but here is…

Well, it's the going opinion of HN for years that the main problem with AMP is it shows the actual origin instead of the proxied origin. Lying about the URL is something hundreds of HN comments have angrily demanded.

Why do you say that? I don’t think people want it to show the “proxied origin”, they want AMP to get out of the way and google to link to the real website.

Re: Where Am I? NYTimes or Google?

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post #4

The shenanigans Google been doing to the url bar is super hostile. Trying to copy the domain of a url without the protocol just infuriates me.

Disable this setting in chrome by going to chrome://flags and switching #omnibox-context-menu-show-full-urls to enabled. Then right click the URL bar and select "alawys show full URLS"

I think the flag (but not the checkbox) will be enabled by default at some point... this option is the best thing to happen to the URL bar since they broke it by removing http:// and WontFix'ing the resulting complaints a decade ago.

Really, I couldn't care less about stuff getting pruned from the URL bar, as long as there's an easy and permanent way to show everything.

Re: Where Am I? NYTimes or Google?

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post #2

Yes this has been a big issue for a very long time now. Google wants to push a release where it will display the hostname of the amp site even if the content is being served from google.com[1]. Mozilla (and Apple) are strictly against it and thank god for Mozilla. If Google had a bigger market share this would already be something we would have been living with. I'm sure there are better sources for this, but here is…

Isn't this basically like a CDN or a PoP cache?
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