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Re: Facebook Deletes Free Palestine Page

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Post by GiraffeNecktie » Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 3:17 PM UTC

ArabGeek wrote: post #12

GiraffeNecktie wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Free speech" doesn't mean you get to say whatever you want, wherever you want, and whenever you want. Fundamentally it just means that the government can't pass a law to prevent you from expressing your opinion. It in no way implies that every private venue (e.g. Facebook) is required to accomadate your opinions. The corollary to my free speech is that you have a right to not have to listen to me if you so choose.

well, criticizing Israel is part of free speech. the page was calling for uprising against Israeli occupation. how different is this from calling to oust corrupt Mubarak? why is it ok not to have a venue to criticize israel while it is ok to insult the prophet of islam?

All valid points but it would only be a free speech issue if Facebook was a government or publicly-supported institution. Mosques have the right to block Christians from proselytizing on their premises (and vice versa). That's not preventing free speech (they're still totally free to stand on a streetcorner and vent), it's giving the guy who owns the private property the right to use it the way he wants.

People often misinterpret free speech as meaning they get some kind of universal pass but free speech actually has very specific limits (and for good reason).

Re: Facebook Deletes Free Palestine Page

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Post by lebasha » Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 3:57 PM UTC

pavel_lishin wrote: post #4

> It is worth mentioning that Facebook founder and CEO Mark Zuckerberg is Jewish. Not really.

this is a ridiculous and irrelevant statement. In any case as far as I know he's atheist.

Re: Facebook Deletes Free Palestine Page

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Post by lebasha » Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 3:59 PM UTC

ArabGeek wrote: post #7

pavel_lishin wrote: post #4

> It is worth mentioning that Facebook founder and CEO Mark Zuckerberg is Jewish. Not really.

he is jewish and the page was criticizing the Jewish state israel

Please stick to the facts and try to get the reasons behind the removal before starting a baseless campaign like this. Not everything is a zionist plot...

Re: Facebook Deletes Free Palestine Page

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Post by lebasha » Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 4:02 PM UTC

tomp wrote: post #3

"We at ArabCrunch condemns this move by Facebook and call it a racist one," It angers me when people use the word racist completely out of place. A useful journalism practice, if your purpose is to attract the attention of as many people as possible, but a despicable one, if your focus is on telling the truth. (Now, I agree that Palestinians and Israelis might be of different race, but the rest of the article emphasi…

Not sure how did ArabCrunch come to this conclusion without even asking Facebook and getting an answer.

Condemn the removal of the page, sure I'm with you but to call this a racist move then I would say show me how you to got to that conclusion.. don't just throw accusation because the CEO happens to fit the profile of someone you don't like

Re: Facebook Deletes Free Palestine Page

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Post by pavel_lishin » Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 4:30 PM UTC

ArabGeek wrote: post #13

pavel_lishin wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it's not worth mentioning, because the odds are 99.99999999% against that having anything to do with the page's removal. Honestly, these kind of racist twitches really do a great disservice to certain Muslim authors. The knee-jerk "BLAME THE JOOZ" response might be understandable if Israel has been systematically trying to kill your family, but in a world of rational discourse it makes me want to write you off as…

for Mark being a jew it is relevant, since this is double standards against Muslims. while Facebook keep the pages that Insults the prophet of Islam, it deletes the pages that criticize Israeli occupation of Palestine. how does criticizing Israeli war crimes a wrong thing to do!? What if facebook deleted a memorable page for the holocaust and Mark was Muslim or German what would you say then?

It might be relevant if he personally deleted that page.

I would say the exact same thing - totally irrelevant.

Re: Facebook Deletes Free Palestine Page

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Post by eibrahim » Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 4:57 PM UTC

The site is down. I think it was attacked by a Zionist bot :)

Re: Facebook Deletes Free Palestine Page

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Post by maratd » Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 5:18 PM UTC

maratd wrote: post #18

If CEO Mark Zuckerberg is Jewish, that means Facebook is a Jewish site. By creating a page on it, I can only surmise that you are a secret Jew pretending to be an Arab. Why else would you use a handle like "ArabGeek"? You're just trying to convince us that you're not a Jew, when you really are. We know who you really are. Just another member of the Zionist conspiracy.

Awwww what's wrong? The joo haters don't have a sense of humor? Too bad.

Re: Facebook Deletes Free Palestine Page

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Post by ArabGeek » Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 5:51 PM UTC

GiraffeNecktie wrote: post #21

ArabGeek wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

well, criticizing Israel is part of free speech. the page was calling for uprising against Israeli occupation. how different is this from calling to oust corrupt Mubarak? why is it ok not to have a venue to criticize israel while it is ok to insult the prophet of islam?

All valid points but it would only be a free speech issue if Facebook was a government or publicly-supported institution. Mosques have the right to block Christians from proselytizing on their premises (and vice versa). That's not preventing free speech (they're still totally free to stand on a streetcorner and vent), it's giving the guy who owns the private property the right to use it the way he wants. People often…

do not compare facebook to a church or a masjed, facebook is a social media platform where we all from different religions and background come together share news and opinions. blocking one voice against the occupier, favoring anti islam stuff while censoring anti -israeli occupation voices is a racists move

Re: Facebook Deletes Free Palestine Page

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Post by ArabGeek » Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 5:53 PM UTC

maratd wrote: post #18

If CEO Mark Zuckerberg is Jewish, that means Facebook is a Jewish site. By creating a page on it, I can only surmise that you are a secret Jew pretending to be an Arab. Why else would you use a handle like "ArabGeek"? You're just trying to convince us that you're not a Jew, when you really are. We know who you really are. Just another member of the Zionist conspiracy.

I do not discriminate against people based on their national orientation. I love everyone, this is not anti-jew thing this is about free speech and justice. there are Arab jews, but I am not a jew.

Re: Facebook Deletes Free Palestine Page

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Post by sorbus » Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 7:18 PM UTC

DjDarkman wrote: post #19

GiraffeNecktie wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Free speech" doesn't mean you get to say whatever you want, wherever you want, and whenever you want. Fundamentally it just means that the government can't pass a law to prevent you from expressing your opinion. It in no way implies that every private venue (e.g. Facebook) is required to accomadate your opinions. The corollary to my free speech is that you have a right to not have to listen to me if you so choose.

> It in no way implies that every private venue (e.g. Facebook) is required to accomadate your opinions. If Facebook is a communication medium it must not hinder free speech.

If Facebook is a common carrier, than that is true. However, it is not, and if you read through the TOS you'll find that they're able to censor whatever they want.