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Polyphasic sleep takes napping to the extreme

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Re: Polyphasic sleep takes napping to the extreme

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I've tried this a few times - mostly in my twenties.

Back then I generally only slept 4-6 hours per night and when I wasn't trying to set a schedule, my sleep schedule would shift at least an hour a day. I was also drinking quite often and sometimes would stay awake for 24 - 36 hours at a time (coffee and booze only). All that is to say my sleep schedule in my twenties was a roller-coaster.

I got lots of work done. I got lots of partying in. Sometimes (many times) I mixed the two.

I say all that to say that I had a lot of freedom to play with my sleep schedules, and I tried quite a few.

I was able to do the two hours of sleep with four hours awake schedule for 2-3 weeks at a time and it generally worked pretty well as long as I adhered strictly. Getting less sleep than that at a time didn't feel right at all. If I pushed either the awake or sleep time, my body would automatically try to escape the schedule and it would be hard for me to get it back. The hardest part was fitting things into 4-hour blocks. If it was a stretch with nothing but work - like during some nasty winter weather - then it was easy, but as it's been said elsewhere, that gets hard to do when you have a social life.

When my son was born, I decided to finally lock in my sleep schedule - for the first time since I was a teenager. I was sleeping from 4am until noon, which allowed me to care for my son at night while my wife slept. This was key to a happy marriage, by the way. We were both getting 6-8 hours of uninterruped sleep a night with a newborn!

Once he was sleeping through the night (4-months-old, sleeping 12 hours a night!), I shifted to a "normal" schedule of 11pm-7am. While switching, I became so completely stuck into a 2x4-hour sleep schedule that it took about 3 weeks for me to get past and shift my sleep. It seems my body got so used to 7-8 full hour stretches, that it fought me from changing it. I suddenly understood why people have such a hard time with sleep! In my 40+ years of life, that was the hardest sleep schedule change I've ever made!

These days I do everything I can to get 7-8 hours and because of my boy I try to make sure that sleep is at night. I miss my revolving sleep schedule. I miss working at night. But my memory is far better. My caffeine intake is almost non-existent except for pleasure. My relationship with my wife is _probably_ better. And I get to spend time with my son every day, so it's a huge win.

As a side note, this sort of sleep schedule can be hell with a significant other, as I've dealt with plenty of times over the years. I'm very fortunate that my wife doesn't mind me shifting my schedule however I want, whenever I want, as long as I make time for her in my "day".

Re: Polyphasic sleep takes napping to the extreme

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I would guess that biphasic sleep was killed by the common consumption of stimulant drugs like tea or coffee in western culture.

I would guess electric lights.

That doesn't make sense to me, siesta wastes precious daylight. If anything, the availability of light at night should have promoted daytime sleep, if there was any influence.

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Isn't human sleep naturally biphasic rather than monophasic? https://www.sciencealert.com/humans-used-to-sleep-in-two-shi...

I've thought for at least 15 years that my natural sleep pattern was 3AM->8AM with another "nap" from PM6->9PM. But this COV19 work from home thing, and my weekend sleeping patterns for a few years now, has been PM3-6PM.

So, whether this reflects some deep sleep dysfunction or what, I don't know. What I do know is that i'm a lot more productive/etc when I sleep when I feel tired.

Given how hot it gets in TX I don't really mind missing the 3-4 hours during the hottest part of the day.

Re: Polyphasic sleep takes napping to the extreme

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Isn't human sleep naturally biphasic rather than monophasic? https://www.sciencealert.com/humans-used-to-sleep-in-two-shi...

More than that, hunter gatherers pretty much just sleep whenever they want. It's only since the shift towards pastoralism and then agriculture that necessitated a regular sleep/wake cycle.

Re: Polyphasic sleep takes napping to the extreme

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Ever since I read Why We Sleep, I've been extremely reticent to go anywhere near sleep reduction. We don't know much about the lifetime-long-term effects of this type of sleep reduction, but what we do know about sleep deprivation in general puts the bar quite high for demonstrating this won't really mess you up if extended out to interesting timescales.

Re: Polyphasic sleep takes napping to the extreme

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would guess electric lights.

That doesn't make sense to me, siesta wastes precious daylight. If anything, the availability of light at night should have promoted daytime sleep, if there was any influence.

Growing up somewhere with a Mediterranean climate that has hot summers, I’ve always assumed it was to sleep through the heat before a/c was invented.

Re: Polyphasic sleep takes napping to the extreme

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One unintended consequence of Covid19 related lockdown/work from home has been less commute and more hours to sleep. This is the most regular/high quality sleep i've had in years and I'm only now seeing how badly my normal sleep habits have been effecting me. Experimenting with any non-monophasic sleep pattern sounds exhausting and I'm afraid could have serious health impacts...would love to see the science/literatur…

Biphasic and triphasic are actually pretty normal, historically. Modern humans go to bed super late compared to our pre-electricity brethren; most people the world over would go to bed super early and have a “first” and “second” sleep, plus maybe an afternoon nap.

You’ll notice this effect if you go camping. The moment the sun goes down you’ll crash much sooner than you would at home, and you might find yourself fully awake at 2am or so.

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> Experimenting with any non-monophasic sleep pattern sounds exhausting and I'm afraid could have serious health impacts I assume you speak for yourself. Biphasic sleep is not an abnormal occurrence and actually quite embedded in some non-anglo cultures (e.g. late afternoon opening times). Even when occurring naturally, it isn't extravagant to be aware of provisions so that nap time doesn't cause a naturally avoidabl…

I would guess that biphasic sleep was killed by the common consumption of stimulant drugs like tea or coffee in western culture.

Depends which kind of biphasic you’re talking about.

Afternoon naps were probably killed by stimulants. But the “first” and “second” sleep historically common were probably killed off by the electric light.

Re: Polyphasic sleep takes napping to the extreme

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One unintended consequence of Covid19 related lockdown/work from home has been less commute and more hours to sleep. This is the most regular/high quality sleep i've had in years and I'm only now seeing how badly my normal sleep habits have been effecting me. Experimenting with any non-monophasic sleep pattern sounds exhausting and I'm afraid could have serious health impacts...would love to see the science/literatur…

Biphasic and triphasic are actually pretty normal, historically. Modern humans go to bed super late compared to our pre-electricity brethren; most people the world over would go to bed super early and have a “first” and “second” sleep, plus maybe an afternoon nap. You’ll notice this effect if you go camping. The moment the sun goes down you’ll crash much sooner than you would at home, and you might find yourself full…

> Biphasic and triphasic are actually pretty normal, historically.

Is there evidence of this? I'm not doubting - I think I've seen this suggested before. I just don't know how people figured this out?

Re: Polyphasic sleep takes napping to the extreme

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