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Campuses getting less political as '60s professors retire

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Re: Campuses getting less political as '60s professors retire

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I wish people included intellectual diversity in their quest for universal diversity on college campuses. There is a good movie about this: http://indoctrinate-u.com

It's from the guy behind Brain Terminal, whose videos are hilarious: http://brain-terminal.com/posts/category/bt-video/

Thank god engineering departments exist. If they didn't, I'd question the need for most people to go to college. $200K to earn $25K/yr at a non-profit - doing work you could have done in high school.

I went to a tour of Stanford recently. The tour guide mentioned the increases in tuition. I asked what they went to. He didn't know. I know most research labs are funded by a combination of government grants and undergrad tuition. What about the rest?

Re: Campuses getting less political as '60s professors retire

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I think the problem is you have liberals but not actual conservatives. The conservatives we currently have, care more about gay marriage than keeping the government small and having a balanced budget.

what's even worse is people thinking current liberalism and conservatism represents the full range of political thought. the democratic-republicans used to be one party, and this party would have strongly opposed the direction of current politics. In Essence, both modern parties have turned into what used to be called federalists.

Re: Campuses getting less political as '60s professors retire

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I think that activism not political is the keyword. As a current college student, within most of the conversations that I have had with other students, they seem to be heavily opinionated and "passionate" about politics and their ideals but lack any real knowledge over the topics or positions they discuss. In a half hour drunken conversation, you could turn a "hardcore democrat" into someone who believes they are actually more libertarian leaning (which I do believe most inherently gravitate towards when questioned over their positions).

Nowadays (even thought I have no clue what it was like in the past), the youth support politics as a fashion statement rather than a representation of their ideals. They seem to fall in line with the parties and mindlessly support the policy that they believe they should. Their knowledge of politics only goes to the extent of what there five minute glance on the news says it should be, which is quite saddening. I am not stereotyping, but the trend I see most is that individuals fall in line with what ever there social groups expected political stance would be, the "frat-boy" types all tend to support republicans because they support the troops and are against gay marriage, the "socially conscious intellectual" student strongly supports democratic principals (or what ever the author of the book they are reading at the time supports) and so on and so forth. Politics for many at the college level seems to just be an extension of their fashion or lifestyle, or simply what they think they should support because of the image they portray.

The truth is very few actually give a shit and will continue to not care until there cushy lifestyle is taken away or they are oppressed in some way or another. Most likely at that point it will be too late. I know I come off as a cynic but sometimes it is just too easy in this world.

Re: Campuses getting less political as '60s professors retire

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This article completely misses the point. Instead of citing outlying cases, maybe it should have dealt with the elephant in the living room: Vietnam College students in the 60's weren't "playing politics". They were protesting an illegal, immoral, and unwinnable war. Hell, half the men on campus were there so they wouldn't have to go to Vietnam. I imagine today's generation of professors would feel a little different…

Are you really denying that your view on Vietname is a political position, on the basis that you think you're right really strongly?

Re: Campuses getting less political as '60s professors retire

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post #24
post #11

This article completely misses the point. Instead of citing outlying cases, maybe it should have dealt with the elephant in the living room: Vietnam College students in the 60's weren't "playing politics". They were protesting an illegal, immoral, and unwinnable war. Hell, half the men on campus were there so they wouldn't have to go to Vietnam. I imagine today's generation of professors would feel a little different…

Are you really denying that your view on Vietname is a political position, on the basis that you think you're right really strongly?

Not at all. I'm just questioning the veracity of an article from a supposedly credible source that makes conclusions based upon outlying cases while completely ignoring the central issue.

I offer no personal view of Vietnam. I'm just saying that it was the central issue affecting the breeding ground of the subjects of the article.

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you really denying that your view on Vietname is a political position, on the basis that you think you're right really strongly?

Not at all. I'm just questioning the veracity of an article from a supposedly credible source that makes conclusions based upon outlying cases while completely ignoring the central issue. I offer no personal view of Vietnam. I'm just saying that it was the central issue affecting the breeding ground of the subjects of the article.

You say "I offer no personal view of Vietnam." but you said it was an "illegal, immoral, and unwinnable war"

Are you really unaware that people disagree on all 3 of those points? They are political positions.

Re: Campuses getting less political as '60s professors retire

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post #26
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not at all. I'm just questioning the veracity of an article from a supposedly credible source that makes conclusions based upon outlying cases while completely ignoring the central issue. I offer no personal view of Vietnam. I'm just saying that it was the central issue affecting the breeding ground of the subjects of the article.

You say "I offer no personal view of Vietnam." but you said it was an "illegal, immoral, and unwinnable war" Are you really unaware that people disagree on all 3 of those points? They are political positions.

That was the argument of the protesters, not mine. Sorry. If only I could write prose as well as I could code. :-)

Re: Campuses getting less political as '60s professors retire

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post #27
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You say "I offer no personal view of Vietnam." but you said it was an "illegal, immoral, and unwinnable war" Are you really unaware that people disagree on all 3 of those points? They are political positions.

That was the argument of the protesters, not mine. Sorry. If only I could write prose as well as I could code. :-)

Ah, well all you need is a "what they saw as".

And for the most part, I don't think any of those other points was nearly as important as the draft. It's one thing to think that a current war is a bad idea, it's quite another to know that you might be forced to go and fight in it.

Re: Campuses getting less political as '60s professors retire

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post #27
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You say "I offer no personal view of Vietnam." but you said it was an "illegal, immoral, and unwinnable war" Are you really unaware that people disagree on all 3 of those points? They are political positions.

That was the argument of the protesters, not mine. Sorry. If only I could write prose as well as I could code. :-)

If that was their argument, and it's a political argument, then they were "playing politics". That's all.

Re: Campuses getting less political as '60s professors retire

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post #11

This article completely misses the point. Instead of citing outlying cases, maybe it should have dealt with the elephant in the living room: Vietnam College students in the 60's weren't "playing politics". They were protesting an illegal, immoral, and unwinnable war. Hell, half the men on campus were there so they wouldn't have to go to Vietnam. I imagine today's generation of professors would feel a little different…

I agree. Iraq is no Vietnam. Iraq doesn't affect anyone in the US except for the volunteer military made up of mostly people who are more than happy to be there, so the harsh reality is that no one cares.

I know if you asked the students at my campus if America was at war, they would probably give you a funny look before continuing on to their frat party. This doesn't mean they are stupid or apathetic to politics in general, but only that nothing is threatening their way of life right now.

People participate in politics for selfish reasons. I would say it's a good thing that college students aren't erupting into protests every day. That means they must be content and happy, right?

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