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Fremont Tesla workers tested positive for coronavirus days after plant reopened

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Re: Fremont Tesla workers tested positive for coronavirus days after plant reopened

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Post by admax88q »

t-writescode wrote: post #14
andys627 wrote: post #6

> Musk went as far as to dare authorities to arrest him. Is this referring to this tweet ( https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1259945593805221891 ) that said "Tesla is restarting production today against Alameda County rules. I will be on the line with everyone else. If anyone is arrested, I ask that it only be me." ?

You mean where Musk is basically saying “please don’t hold my demands of my workers against them. Punish me instead, please?”

Ah yes, there's the standard HN mental gymnastics to defend Musk.

Re: Fremont Tesla workers tested positive for coronavirus days after plant reopened

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Post by _skel »

You could pick any large company that reopened and find instances of employees who have the virus. Singling out Tesla is good for clickbait, but why should the Tesla factory stay closed when bars and restaurants in California are allowed to open?

This is the new normal. We can't stay in lockdown forever. Jobs deemed "non-essential" by white collar professionals comfortably working from home are pretty essential to the workers who have been stuck at home without an income.

Until a vaccine is developed, people will get sick even if they are social distancing and wearing masks and their workplaces are doing the right things. We shouldn't be shocked or outraged or self-righteous when that happens. Society needs to accept that or we will never recover from the lockdowns.

Re: Fremont Tesla workers tested positive for coronavirus days after plant reopened

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

heavyset_go wrote: post #10

Somewhere in Musk's calculus, he must have determined just how many people can get sick and die without it being too much of a PR problem.

> he must have determined just how many people can get sick and die without it being too much of a PR problem

I'd guess he also has some demographic data on his workers. If a substantial fraction are healthier and/or less susceptible than the population, it stands to reason that his plant should open before the broader economy.

Re: Fremont Tesla workers tested positive for coronavirus days after plant reopened

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Post by AlexandrB »

heavyset_go wrote: post #19
xkjkls wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't think he did any more math than "I want this factory open"

Musk is a smart man, are you suggesting that he doesn't think about the obvious consequences of his actions?

Yes. Obviously! Why else would he give his child an unpronounceable name or publically call a perfect stranger a pedophile?

Re: Fremont Tesla workers tested positive for coronavirus days after plant reopened

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Post by arcticbull »

heavyset_go wrote: post #12
arcticbull wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're quickly approaching that. A few generations from now it'll just be the robots - and us watching.

Unless our descendants own those robots or there is a massive shift in who controls productive property, our lineages will die off once they're made permanently redundant and shut out from what those machines produce.

Almost certainly. Thing is, as countries develop, the birth rate drops off a cliff. Canada's already at 1.5 births per woman. The US is only slightly higher. As we make more robots, we'll make less humans. Society will be forced to become dramatically different.

Re: Fremont Tesla workers tested positive for coronavirus days after plant reopened

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Post by heavyset_go »

AlexandrB wrote: post #24
heavyset_go wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Musk is a smart man, are you suggesting that he doesn't think about the obvious consequences of his actions?

Yes. Obviously! Why else would he give his child an unpronounceable name or publically call a perfect stranger a pedophile?

> call a perfect stranger a pedophile?

Smart people can be assholes, too.

Re: Fremont Tesla workers tested positive for coronavirus days after plant reopened

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Post by ricardobeat »

admax88q wrote: post #21
t-writescode wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean where Musk is basically saying “please don’t hold my demands of my workers against them. Punish me instead, please?”

Ah yes, there's the standard HN mental gymnastics to defend Musk.

> there's the standard HN mental gymnastics to defend Musk.

I'm pretty sure that was dry sarcasm, and your comment is the one doing mental gymnastics...

Re: Fremont Tesla workers tested positive for coronavirus days after plant reopened

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Post by admax88q »

ricardobeat wrote: post #27
admax88q wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, there's the standard HN mental gymnastics to defend Musk.

> there's the standard HN mental gymnastics to defend Musk. I'm pretty sure that was dry sarcasm, and your comment is the one doing mental gymnastics...

Maybe, doesn't read like dry sarcasm to me.

EDIT: It reads like defense of Musk. Like "he's not so bad, he asked to be the one held accountable" I hope none of his employees or their relations die from Covid, no amount of holding Musk "accountable" can reverse that.

Re: Fremont Tesla workers tested positive for coronavirus days after plant reopened

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Post by xkjkls »

_skel wrote: post #22

You could pick any large company that reopened and find instances of employees who have the virus. Singling out Tesla is good for clickbait, but why should the Tesla factory stay closed when bars and restaurants in California are allowed to open? This is the new normal. We can't stay in lockdown forever. Jobs deemed "non-essential" by white collar professionals comfortably working from home are pretty essential to th…

Restaurants and bars in specific areas with specific precautions are allowed to re-open. Musk re-opened his factory against the advice of local officials.
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