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Tangentially related is the tool tox [1], which is often used to run a test suite inside of virtual environments created by venv, on multiple versions of Python managed by pyenv.
Now if only setuptools could work well without hackery...
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I'm only familiar with Python, Javascript and Rust. It seems to me that Rust is the only one that has "solved" this problem. I dont think there are any real Python devs who thinks dependency management is solved. However, why would you claim Javascript has a good solution? The inconsistencies between node and web dev is odd at best. Babel compilation is annoying and slow. Are we even standardized on webpack yet? Can…
> Can anyone say with a straight face that getting a new JS dev caught up on what all these different parts to compile a JS program is a solved problem? You are intermixing dependency management with build tools. Webpack and Babel have very little to do with dependency management.
With that said, I should have included Yarn and Npm with their own problems. I can't remember how often I solved my dependency problems with rm -rf node_modules.
This is a good overview of something that took me an annoyingly long time to learn. My personal preference is to keep things simple with pyenv, venv, and pip. Tangentially related is the tool tox [1], which is often used to run a test suite inside of virtual environments created by venv, on multiple versions of Python managed by pyenv. Now if only setuptools could work well without hackery... [1]: https://tox.readthe…
Dependency Management in Pip's Resolver: https://www.pythonpodcast.com/pip-resolver-dependency-manage...
It's 2020, but the python community still has not converged to a small set of sane solutions. It seems to me that Ruby, PHP, JS, and Rust communities have solved the problem.
Hasn't it? pypi is really the de-facto package index, Pipenv/Poetry/Conda are all venv handlers (using the standard venv tools) + dependency graph, and using pip which is standard as well. I would call this a small set of solutions (3), and they are all sane (any will do, just pick one).
Every attempt to solve this problem in Python seems to eventually end up in a pretty terrible place. Pipenv got off to a great start but got slower and slower to the point that it was more painful to use than not. Poetry (which is still my preferred option) started off with something seemingly beautifully thought through, and very fast too. But after only a few version updates, it seems to be hitting the same problem…