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HashiCorp forbids its software being used in China

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Re: HashiCorp forbids its software being used in China

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From Mitchell Hashimoto, the founder of HashiCorp: https://twitter.com/mitchellh/status/1266390186054651905

Whoa, wait, the founder's last name is Hashimoto? That's awesome. I always just assumed it was a portmanteau related to hash functions.

Ah that's interesting -- I've never associated it with hash functions though I can see how one might be led to.

Hashi to my ears sounds distinctively Japanese (I understand it either means "bridge" or "chopsticks").

Re: HashiCorp forbids its software being used in China

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Hello, I'm a founder of HashiCorp and I'd like to explain this. First, this document only applies to enterprise evaluation software. This doesn't apply to our OSS software and this shouldn't be linked anywhere near our OSS except in the context of signing up for an enterprise eval. Most importantly: why is this here? This is NOT a political statement. This is a legal requirement. The encryption we use in Vault is sub…

Which encryption is it?

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Why exactly they do that?

Good question. It's not like IP protection is practical in China--this software WILL be used in China against license. It's also basically impossible to hold Chinese companies (often entangled with the communist government of China) accountable for things like fraud or IP theft. Maybe it's just a political statement.

None of this is true. It's not political, it's not about IP, it's about Chinese law, and it doesn't apply to OSS.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23351181

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good question. It's not like IP protection is practical in China--this software WILL be used in China against license. It's also basically impossible to hold Chinese companies (often entangled with the communist government of China) accountable for things like fraud or IP theft. Maybe it's just a political statement.

None of this is true. It's not political, it's not about IP, it's about Chinese law, and it doesn't apply to OSS. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23351181

What they are saying is that even in regards to OSS it wouldn't matter because China has such a disregard for non-Chinese law (and the citizens have blatant disregard for even some Chinese law) and property that they will just outright steal it or otherwise break any law that inconveniences them to just use the software anyway.

Re: HashiCorp forbids its software being used in China

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Hello, I'm a founder of HashiCorp and I'd like to explain this. First, this document only applies to enterprise evaluation software. This doesn't apply to our OSS software and this shouldn't be linked anywhere near our OSS except in the context of signing up for an enterprise eval. Most importantly: why is this here? This is NOT a political statement. This is a legal requirement. The encryption we use in Vault is sub…

Exactly just laws of the United States.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting to me that it's Chinese export control laws that affect you. Normally when you hear about this kind of thing, it's the US export restrictions causing the issue. Does that not apply in this case? And wouldn't you be importing into China? (IANAL, genuinely asking)

It's not export controls in the case of China afaik. It's literally 'the party would like to read your data in the name of social harmony'

Ya, the word “export” was incorrect in OP’s post

Re: HashiCorp forbids its software being used in China

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Hello, I'm a founder of HashiCorp and I'd like to explain this. First, this document only applies to enterprise evaluation software. This doesn't apply to our OSS software and this shouldn't be linked anywhere near our OSS except in the context of signing up for an enterprise eval. Most importantly: why is this here? This is NOT a political statement. This is a legal requirement. The encryption we use in Vault is sub…

you can request the title changed to be closer to your clearer explanation

Re: HashiCorp forbids its software being used in China

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting to me that it's Chinese export control laws that affect you. Normally when you hear about this kind of thing, it's the US export restrictions causing the issue. Does that not apply in this case? And wouldn't you be importing into China? (IANAL, genuinely asking)

It's not export controls in the case of China afaik. It's literally 'the party would like to read your data in the name of social harmony'

Or inversely they want to make sure the ciphers they use are reviewed and not backdoorable by adversaries (in this case the US).
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