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Re: U.S. Police Shootings: Breaking Down the Data by Race

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Post by duckMuppet » Thu, May 28, 2020, 11:02 PM UTC

throwaway0a5e wrote: post #14

Simulacra wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Step one: Demilitarize the police.

Or just train them like the military because the military has some actual discipline and internal accountability.

They already do train them like the military. In fact, since Obama, they've also been arming them as the military as well, not only with M4's and Barrett 50's, also with up armor MRAPS and hummers. That's not including other tactical wartime gear such as stingrays etc.

Train The cops as soldiers, don't be surprised when cops act as soldiers.

I realize that as we've been millennialing our military into occupying and policing, but make no mistake that's not what they're for. And it's the same issue with cops.

Re: U.S. Police Shootings: Breaking Down the Data by Race

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Post by duckMuppet » Thu, May 28, 2020, 11:05 PM UTC

jariel wrote: post #11

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #4

Is there any source for this data normalized per police interaction? Basically I want to know where in the process the issue starts. Are non-whites stopped/harassed more by the police so they get into more altercations that lead to shooting/death or are police just more likely to shoot non-whites? The difference makes a huge change at what level the issue should be addressed at. Also comparing the rate of shooting to…

"An Empirical Analysis of Racial Discreperences in Police Use of Force, Roland G. Fryer, Jr.m July 2017" [1] This is by African American Harvard prof, and highly controversial because his research indicates there isn't actually that much racial disparity in policing. I for one, believe it. Cops are mostly not aggressive, and cops are mostly not racist. But there's a wide bell curve on that - and some are racist, some…

Well said.

Re: U.S. Police Shootings: Breaking Down the Data by Race

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Post by hnlurker » Thu, May 28, 2020, 11:54 PM UTC

jariel wrote: post #20

yardie wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should probably read the actual paper. It doesn't disprove the current narrative. And in his paper he also states that blacks are 21.3% more likely to have force applied against them by the police than whites. The data is kind of sloppy (the author admits) since it is nonuniform across many police departments. Also, it's the police reporting data on themselves about police racial discimination. Not exactly an unb…

Your own data disputes your own argument. First - you've unfairly cherry-picked a statement. Here is the full context: "Even when officers report civilians have been compliant and no arrest was made, blacks are 21.2 percent more likely to endure some form of force in an interaction. Yet, on the most extreme use of force – officer-involved shootings – we are unable to detect any racial differences in either the raw da…

"which the data does not support" should be "which the data do not support"; data is plural, does is singular.

Re: U.S. Police Shootings: Breaking Down the Data by Race

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Post by rasz » Fri, May 29, 2020, 12:17 PM UTC

Simulacra wrote: post #6

kristintynski wrote: post #2

Now is the time for us to start doing the hard work to make police accountability happen. Getting public records data accessible is a way to make good progress toward this. 450+ of us are working on a new project called the Police Data Accessibility project, aimed at making local court record data (which contains cop/department level data) accessible outside of clunky county court records websites. More info here: ht…

Step one: Demilitarize the police.

Are you going to cut their knees too? Because thats what started latest Minneapolis riots.

Re: U.S. Police Shootings: Breaking Down the Data by Race

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Post by Simulacra » Fri, May 29, 2020, 4:41 PM UTC

throwaway0a5e wrote: post #14

Simulacra wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Step one: Demilitarize the police.

Or just train them like the military because the military has some actual discipline and internal accountability.

That's the whole problem! Police are to serve and protect the community. Instead they've become a paramilitary force in major cities where their job is now to serve, and protect the government and its institutions.