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Patrick McKenzie (patio11) on Japan Aid: Help for the Well-Prepared

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Re: Patrick McKenzie (patio11) on Japan Aid: Help for the Well-Prepared

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Boy, the commenters there don't seem to agree with him much.

Neither does Yuhei Sato, who is the governor of Fukushima prefecture:

"Mr Sato said centres already housing people who had been moved from their homes near the plant did not have enough hot meals and basic necessities such as fuel and medical supplies. "We're lacking everything," he said."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12763273

Re: Patrick McKenzie (patio11) on Japan Aid: Help for the Well-Prepared

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Many Americans are wondering what we can do to help. It's natural to want to send money, food, blankets and the like to the survivors. But for now, what may be most urgently needed is all possible assistance and expertise in bringing the situation at the nuclear facilities under control.

I don't know what benefit there is in prioritizing what is more-urgent and less-urgent. These efforts are not mutually-exclusive, let us provide both. What good is it to generalize the utility of an option to the entire scope of the disaster. Let's try to deal with each sub-problem individually.

Re: Patrick McKenzie (patio11) on Japan Aid: Help for the Well-Prepared

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I have great respect for Patrick, and usually agree with him, but in this case I think his conclusion is far off-mark. Japanese citizens need our help , on a massive scale. The government may not need any assistance, but the families and communities ravaged by the disaster have an unbounded need for aid. I've lived in Uganda and Cambodia, two countries which get a disproportionate share of Western aid. Yet still, eve…

I was going to donate to aid organizations to help supply food and water, but I guess I should send some nuclear engineering textbooks and maybe my old exams from Nuclear Engineering 101. That's obviously the best and only way for the average American to help, what with our expertise on these matters.

I've also included this link[1] to the wikipedia article discussing the current situation involving the threatened nuclear reactors; hopefully, this will elucidate matters for Japanese officials. Maybe someone can help with the translations.

We should also send them the most insightful reader comments from CNN.com, reddit, and YouTube.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Japanese_nuclear_incidents

Re: Patrick McKenzie (patio11) on Japan Aid: Help for the Well-Prepared

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How many people in the world are actually qualified to offer any useful help on the Japan nuclear situation? Does anyone really think that they're just sitting around doing nothing right now?

I don't care how organized and prepared the Japanese are - they need help right now. Even before the disaster, they relied on imports for food and fuel. Large portions of their economy are now offline, and hundreds of thousands of people are displaced. Even if Japan has the will and resources to deal with all of this on their own, if the rest of us are willing and eager to chip in to help, why should they?

It's not like your donation is going to a Real American Hero who will personally swoop down into Tokyo and start wrapping every Japanese person they come across in a blanket and dousing them with a bottle of water. That money is going to be spent how it was spent here in the US after Katrina: yes, it will help feed people who need feeding in the short term, but it will also keep people in temporary homes until they can rebuild or relocate, pay for school clothes and supplies for kids whose families lost everything, provide grant money to help kickstart businesses in the affected areas once cleanup is done, etc, etc, etc.

So, no, sorry. I'm still sending money.

Re: Patrick McKenzie (patio11) on Japan Aid: Help for the Well-Prepared

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I'm starting to get feed up about patio11 and the all's well attitude and "we'll manage, thank you very much". The last head-count is seventeen thousand dead and rising. It is obvious that all is _not_ well and that people in the affected areas need help and fast.

All is not well, but Patio11 is writing a contrarian article -- an article that goes against conventional wisdom. I am at loss to explain this in a way that does not sound callous. Just be assured that these things are perceived in a cyclic manner by the public. Right now, and for the next few months, the MSM and the mob has decided that it is time to panic, rant and rave. That's fine. It's a terrible disaster, and o…

> Patio11 is writing a contrarian article -- an article that goes against conventional wisdom

Yeah patio's polemic is "cool" and all, but when the ship starts to sink after it has hit the iceberg and you still insist that all is well because "this ship cannot sink" then its not so cool anymore. The people affected need help and for them the plans obviously does not work and situated actions are called for. They need, food, shelter, medicin etc. and fast.

Re: Patrick McKenzie (patio11) on Japan Aid: Help for the Well-Prepared

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post #16

I have great respect for Patrick, and usually agree with him, but in this case I think his conclusion is far off-mark. Japanese citizens need our help , on a massive scale. The government may not need any assistance, but the families and communities ravaged by the disaster have an unbounded need for aid. I've lived in Uganda and Cambodia, two countries which get a disproportionate share of Western aid. Yet still, eve…

I was going to donate to aid organizations to help supply food and water, but I guess I should send some nuclear engineering textbooks and maybe my old exams from Nuclear Engineering 101. That's obviously the best and only way for the average American to help, what with our expertise on these matters. I've also included this link[1] to the wikipedia article discussing the current situation involving the threatened nu…

My deeply-ingrained image of the Ugly American get the better of me here. I actually thought you were serious until halfway through the post, and was mentally preparing a response to rip you a new asshole.

Re: Patrick McKenzie (patio11) on Japan Aid: Help for the Well-Prepared

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post #26

How many people in the world are actually qualified to offer any useful help on the Japan nuclear situation? Does anyone really think that they're just sitting around doing nothing right now? I don't care how organized and prepared the Japanese are - they need help right now. Even before the disaster, they relied on imports for food and fuel. Large portions of their economy are now offline, and hundreds of thousands…

oops, sorry, meant to upvote, not downvote you! +1

Re: Patrick McKenzie (patio11) on Japan Aid: Help for the Well-Prepared

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How many people in the world are actually qualified to offer any useful help on the Japan nuclear situation? Does anyone really think that they're just sitting around doing nothing right now? I don't care how organized and prepared the Japanese are - they need help right now. Even before the disaster, they relied on imports for food and fuel. Large portions of their economy are now offline, and hundreds of thousands…

oops, sorry, meant to upvote, not downvote you! +1

up-voted on your behalf!
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