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Re: YouTube deleting Palmer Luckey’s comments about CCP’s Wumao division

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Post by henriquez »

catsdanxe wrote: post #12
speechisaright9 wrote: post #4

The scary part is that there is a significant contingent of people in tech who believe Youtube is morally justified in doing this because it's a private platform, and therefore and not subject to human rights standards like freedom of speech. Want to criticize an abusive regime? Build your own Youtube clone!

Isn't that exactly what bitchute and other platforms are doing?

Yes, but it will be tough for them to compete with YouTube, which has lost money consistently since Google acquired them in the early 2000’s. Google is effectively offering YouTube below cost which creates an anticompetitive effect.

Re: YouTube deleting Palmer Luckey’s comments about CCP’s Wumao division

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Post by text70 »

wendyshu wrote: post #10
manuelabeledo wrote: post #6

It looks to me like another example of failed automatic comment moderation. But again, it will be interpreted as big tech kneeling to the CCP.

How could we do a test to determine which is the true cause?

Have a poorly constructed comment referencing a made up society.

"The CCP must be eliminated. I will not stand by idly while the Clown Collective of Pittsburgh goes on strike."

Re: YouTube deleting Palmer Luckey’s comments about CCP’s Wumao division

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Post by gonzo41 »

marcinzm wrote: post #17
speechisaright9 wrote: post #4

The scary part is that there is a significant contingent of people in tech who believe Youtube is morally justified in doing this because it's a private platform, and therefore and not subject to human rights standards like freedom of speech. Want to criticize an abusive regime? Build your own Youtube clone!

The problem as we've seen is that giving unlimited freedom of speech on these social platforms results in very bad things as state actors use it to incite social unrest. Of course, in protecting Europe and America's ability to remain safe democracies you also end up protecting China's ability to be a dictatorship. Keep in mind that western governments generally support China so you'd have a private company go against…

People have a choice. Money or democracy, you can have a lot of money and still have democracy. But w hensmall numbers of people have most of the money, the less democracy there is.

I know at least in Australia, our political class has certainly decided to make that trade. China has a stack of cash, and we have standards to sell.

Re: YouTube deleting Palmer Luckey’s comments about CCP’s Wumao division

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Post by ageitgey »

henriquez wrote: post #21
catsdanxe wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that exactly what bitchute and other platforms are doing?

Yes, but it will be tough for them to compete with YouTube, which has lost money consistently since Google acquired them in the early 2000’s. Google is effectively offering YouTube below cost which creates an anticompetitive effect.

YouTube no longer loses money - far from it. It generated 15 billion dollars in revenue in 2019, ~10% of Google's revenue.

https://abc.xyz/investor/static/pdf/2019Q4_alphabet_earnings...

Re: YouTube deleting Palmer Luckey’s comments about CCP’s Wumao division

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Post by eggy »

This is why I believe it is important to teach our children from first principles; we can no longer rely on media, left or right, to convey a large percentage of truth. I am old enough that the cliche "believe only half of what you read" is still good advice. Too many people glued to their devices, knee-jerk responses without much thought and propagate misinformation at almost the speed of electrons without consulting their slower-thinking, rational mind. I find relief in going back to first principles for many things now even if it is time consuming. I lived in Macau for 7 years and Indonesia for 1 year. I used a VPN when I first arrived in Macau due to trips to the mainland. Hong Kongers are looking for VPNs like crazy this week, since the CCP announced new efforts to monitor "trouble makers" in HK. HK will never be the same.

Re: YouTube deleting Palmer Luckey’s comments about CCP’s Wumao division

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

speechisaright9 wrote: post #4

The scary part is that there is a significant contingent of people in tech who believe Youtube is morally justified in doing this because it's a private platform, and therefore and not subject to human rights standards like freedom of speech. Want to criticize an abusive regime? Build your own Youtube clone!

But the same persons would be scandalized if youtube would censor US politicians propaganda.

Because I tell you, looking at Fox News as a European, I can't understand how it qualifies as "news", yet many americans are very attached to it.

I'm sure there are plenty of chinese people that feels like Fox News viewers about their own news sources. And they think they are right just as much.

And each camp will say "you can't compare us to them because...".

It's always the same story: it's not about the truth, it's about power and believes.

Re: YouTube deleting Palmer Luckey’s comments about CCP’s Wumao division

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Post by Jommi »

ageitgey wrote: post #25
henriquez wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but it will be tough for them to compete with YouTube, which has lost money consistently since Google acquired them in the early 2000’s. Google is effectively offering YouTube below cost which creates an anticompetitive effect.

YouTube no longer loses money - far from it. It generated 15 billion dollars in revenue in 2019, ~10% of Google's revenue. https://abc.xyz/investor/static/pdf/2019Q4_alphabet_earnings...

That does not mean it doesn't lose money. You're talking about revenue.

Re: YouTube deleting Palmer Luckey’s comments about CCP’s Wumao division

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Post by flr03 »

speechisaright9 wrote: post #4

The scary part is that there is a significant contingent of people in tech who believe Youtube is morally justified in doing this because it's a private platform, and therefore and not subject to human rights standards like freedom of speech. Want to criticize an abusive regime? Build your own Youtube clone!

Things are not black or white, I'm afraid. My comment is not directly related to this matter about the Chinese Gov. Freedom of Speech will always collide with questions of hate speech, massive spread of fake informations, astroturfing... You'll always have to draw a line between moderation and censorship, and yes economical interests will be involved but way before that it's already a complex subject.

Things are very much grey.

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