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In-person services may never operate strictly in-person again

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Re: In-person services may never operate strictly in-person again

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I know this isn't the popular opinion, but aren't we blowing the virus out of proportion a bit?

Don't something like 20-25% of all New Yorkers already have antibodies? Doesn't that show the virus isn't that dangerous? The body count would be in the millions by now.

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I can't see myself wanting do continue doing anything remote when it's safe to stop. A lot of these articles are "we wern't doing this before COVID-19, but now we can't go out we're doing this remotely and therefor we're going to do this after the threat of COVID-19 disappears." I do like the increased options, but part of the reason I like to go visit my Therapist's office is that it's an office. I'm going to a diff…

Do you think that would be different if you lived in a place big enough for a dedicated office?

I have a dedicated office with a door that closes, fiber internet, giant monitor, etc. I can’t wait for all of this Zoom stuff to be over and go back to being in the office.

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My kids have been having their music lessons (cello & viola) remotely since the quarantine. For the advanced student, I can see 50% of lessons workable as remote, but not more than that. My kid may switch to every other lesson remote (two lessons per week at 45 minutes each). For the beginner, it doesn’t work that well, but I suppose it’s better than nothing.

But we need to figure out why the initial lessons are better in person than remote. It could be that small changes are needed in camera placement, or screens or something we haven't thought of. For many instruments you outline, it is how the bow or the instrument is held, this might be better online with the right tools, esp if you had multicamera pose estimation, it might not even need a teacher the majority of the…

In person, a teacher can take your hand/arm and directly guide it into the right position. This just isn't possible remotely at all.

(Okay, if everybody had actual, sufficiently flexible physical robots in their homes...)

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Consider that there may never be an effective vaccine. It may take a decade for enough people to obtain some level of immunity or for the virus to mutate to a less dangerous form.

People are going to go back to living some semblance of normally, vaccine or not. They already are in many places.

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My kids have been having their music lessons (cello & viola) remotely since the quarantine. For the advanced student, I can see 50% of lessons workable as remote, but not more than that. My kid may switch to every other lesson remote (two lessons per week at 45 minutes each). For the beginner, it doesn’t work that well, but I suppose it’s better than nothing.

But we need to figure out why the initial lessons are better in person than remote. It could be that small changes are needed in camera placement, or screens or something we haven't thought of. For many instruments you outline, it is how the bow or the instrument is held, this might be better online with the right tools, esp if you had multicamera pose estimation, it might not even need a teacher the majority of the…

I would thing a large portion of it is actually sound. The microphone in a laptop is just not very good, and then even if the instructor has expensive studio monitors its going to get super compressed. On top of the bad acoustics in whatever random room they are in, and background noise.

And while a multi camera setup would certainly be awesome, and help with positioning of hands and instrument, its just not really a practical setup for the majority of people. Now you need a great microphone, multiple cameras, probably tripods or something for camera positioning. An in person class solves all those problems.

45 minutes seems to be the standard for most classes, and I believe the research is as classes go longer than that they become less effective for learning. And sure you can do group classes, that happens in band class, but the student does not get as much attention and depending on the learning style and student that may just not be enough.

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> That being said, my whole team, myself included, are noticing that as we continue to provide Zoom sessions we’re getting better and better client sessions; we’re having breakthroughs all the time now. Excuse me, but Zoom? How is that still allowed in healthcare? Are all privacy issues resolved?

Paid versions of Zoom implement stricter privacy measures and conform to formal security audits. I work for a government contractor and the paid version of Zoom we use is certified for official business according to some arcane standard.

Re: In-person services may never operate strictly in-person again

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My kids have been having their music lessons (cello & viola) remotely since the quarantine. For the advanced student, I can see 50% of lessons workable as remote, but not more than that. My kid may switch to every other lesson remote (two lessons per week at 45 minutes each). For the beginner, it doesn’t work that well, but I suppose it’s better than nothing.

But we need to figure out why the initial lessons are better in person than remote. It could be that small changes are needed in camera placement, or screens or something we haven't thought of. For many instruments you outline, it is how the bow or the instrument is held, this might be better online with the right tools, esp if you had multicamera pose estimation, it might not even need a teacher the majority of the…

How about the teacher can't correct the students posture, grip etc? Not to mention they can't play together without lag.

Re: In-person services may never operate strictly in-person again

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This seems like the biggest social transition since the always-connected cellphone/smartphone.

I don't understand why people are assuming this instead of the easier explanation of that (1) things will eventually bounce back and (2) somebody born in 1-2 generations will have no idea what the pandemic was like. As precedent, I cite the 1918 flu. In 1918 people were getting arrested for not wearing masks. The following decade was called "The Roaring '20s," and I don't presume it roared because of all the social d…

From what I can tell the way society is reacting this particular respiratory pandemic - and the way the media is portraying it - is completely without precedent, so we can't point to history to guide us. Parts of the US might've required mask wearing in 1918, but there wasn't the massive shutdowns of everything or the full-press media coverage we have today. I've seen people who lived through previous major pandemics say they barely noticed them at the time and they weren't exactly front-page news; you certainly couldn't say that about this one, especially after the New York Times dedicated its entire front page to (questionably sourced) names and details of people who've died in order to hammer home the point that this is a massive, vitally important tragedy.

Re: In-person services may never operate strictly in-person again

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This seems like the biggest social transition since the always-connected cellphone/smartphone.

I don't understand why people are assuming this instead of the easier explanation of that (1) things will eventually bounce back and (2) somebody born in 1-2 generations will have no idea what the pandemic was like. As precedent, I cite the 1918 flu. In 1918 people were getting arrested for not wearing masks. The following decade was called "The Roaring '20s," and I don't presume it roared because of all the social d…

On the other hand, the era after WWI saw the birth of the modern welfare state in Europe (first in the U.K., and then gradually across the rest of Europe), and WWII saw the United States establish itself as the pre-eminent global power, a position it hasn’t relinquished since.

When it comes to global scale events, we have a tendency to overestimate the short term consequences and overestimate the long term.

Re: In-person services may never operate strictly in-person again

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My kids have been having their music lessons (cello & viola) remotely since the quarantine. For the advanced student, I can see 50% of lessons workable as remote, but not more than that. My kid may switch to every other lesson remote (two lessons per week at 45 minutes each). For the beginner, it doesn’t work that well, but I suppose it’s better than nothing.

But we need to figure out why the initial lessons are better in person than remote. It could be that small changes are needed in camera placement, or screens or something we haven't thought of. For many instruments you outline, it is how the bow or the instrument is held, this might be better online with the right tools, esp if you had multicamera pose estimation, it might not even need a teacher the majority of the…

Have you ever tried to teach someone something physical before?

Maybe in the best case scenario you could have a multi-camera 4k, low latency setup. But how many students have the means and space to configure that?

For everyone else, the teacher loses the spontaneity to inspect subtle differences from various angles and what not. As a piano teacher you want to be able to flit between left/right hand, face, feet, shoulders, elbows, posture.

Maybe you could cover a lot of that with two very well positioned cameras on hands and body but that's really no substitute for the teacher being able to walk around observing the student. Let alone switching places and inviting the student to observe in a similar fashion.

I'm sure there are opportunities for remote teaching of instruments to actually do certain things better than in person (by taking advantage of technology) but there will never be a true substitute for in person teaching - telecommunication is simply too lossy

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