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I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

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Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

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Post by twic »

Nbox9 wrote: post #17
djsumdog wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

..or, business could open with the precautions they're taking and .. nothing happens. We see the same fatality rates, grow a little, lower a little, but generally level off. It sucks it's come to this, but all of the states with lock-downs are desperately looking at states easing restrictions to see if these shelter in place orders are really worth it. We've heard that many of the people in NYC getting infected now a…

> I don't understand how people can think complete eradication is even possible. Eradication, to the point that contract tracing is a viable containment method, has been achieved by other countries. It is completely possible.

We're a long way from that being proven.

Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

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Post by djsumdog »

Nbox9 wrote: post #17
djsumdog wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

..or, business could open with the precautions they're taking and .. nothing happens. We see the same fatality rates, grow a little, lower a little, but generally level off. It sucks it's come to this, but all of the states with lock-downs are desperately looking at states easing restrictions to see if these shelter in place orders are really worth it. We've heard that many of the people in NYC getting infected now a…

> I don't understand how people can think complete eradication is even possible. Eradication, to the point that contract tracing is a viable containment method, has been achieved by other countries. It is completely possible.

So we're seeing two different methods: Sweden (and I guess soon, the UK and the rest of the world) taking measures to slow the spread, but realizing it will spread to everyone.

South Kora, New Zealand, etc where they are going for complete elimination. Now ask yourself this ... when will South Korea or NZ be able to reopen their borders? They will have little to no immunity, so possibly not for a year or more.

Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

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Post by astronautjones »

claudeganon wrote: post #16
djsumdog wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

..or, business could open with the precautions they're taking and .. nothing happens. We see the same fatality rates, grow a little, lower a little, but generally level off. It sucks it's come to this, but all of the states with lock-downs are desperately looking at states easing restrictions to see if these shelter in place orders are really worth it. We've heard that many of the people in NYC getting infected now a…

Why do people insist on unnecessary mass deaths when we have examples of how to effectively respond to this disease in countries like South Korea and Taiwan without them? Why do people lean into this falsely-premised fatalism instead of demanding what has been proven to work?

the same reason they promote slashing public programs, welfare, benefits

Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

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Post by will_walker »

timbigman wrote: post #14

Of everyone doing this, I think that he should have more sympathy for those struggling during this time. Don't hire people to find violations. Help out people that are starving

He’s not posting any identifying information. This is incredibly valuable service for those in reopening states to make an informed decision on whether to continue to take precautions.

Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

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Post by fastball »

elliekelly wrote: post #2

> And bigger picture, I wanted to know if these are places that I would feel safe taking my family to. I think this is the most important metric as far as “re-opening the economy” goes but it seems to be largely ignored by politicians.

Given that your children are unlikely to be at serious risk from COVID-19, I'm not sure why.

Your child is much more likely to be adversely affected (in the long term) by sustained economic stagnation than by this virus.

Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

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Post by jrobn »

The stock market is soaring, People are dying at an ever increasing rate, and It’s becoming painfully obvious to most people what a total failure our federal govt’s as been.

Things are about to move into dust bowl depression with the extremely rich at the top and 90% wallowing in desperate poverty. I’m afraid the American experiment is over and it’s a sad outcome.

Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

Nbox9 wrote: post #17
djsumdog wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

..or, business could open with the precautions they're taking and .. nothing happens. We see the same fatality rates, grow a little, lower a little, but generally level off. It sucks it's come to this, but all of the states with lock-downs are desperately looking at states easing restrictions to see if these shelter in place orders are really worth it. We've heard that many of the people in NYC getting infected now a…

> I don't understand how people can think complete eradication is even possible. Eradication, to the point that contract tracing is a viable containment method, has been achieved by other countries. It is completely possible.

It's not clear that it has been. Singapore was at that point, until a sudden spike in new cases overwhelmed them and they had to lock down. South Korea just re-closed their bars and pushed back school reopenings, because a single guy started a cluster of 80 cases and they don't trust their contact tracing to handle that many. Taiwan and Vietnam are either lucky or have better strategies than simply "do a lot of contact tracing", but in either case it's not obvious that other countries can replicate their success.

Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

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Post by davidw »

claudeganon wrote: post #16
djsumdog wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

..or, business could open with the precautions they're taking and .. nothing happens. We see the same fatality rates, grow a little, lower a little, but generally level off. It sucks it's come to this, but all of the states with lock-downs are desperately looking at states easing restrictions to see if these shelter in place orders are really worth it. We've heard that many of the people in NYC getting infected now a…

Why do people insist on unnecessary mass deaths when we have examples of how to effectively respond to this disease in countries like South Korea and Taiwan without them? Why do people lean into this falsely-premised fatalism instead of demanding what has been proven to work?

I don't get the downvotes for the above comment. The "choice" between "stay at home forever" or "open all the things up" is a false one.

If we do test/trace/isolate, and start requiring masks in enclosed spaces, we could start opening up in a fairly safe way.

Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

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Post by sam1r »

torgian wrote: post #26

Wow, comment section there is a true dumpster fire. That said, it seems that America is just flailing about and hoping for the best. and not even expecting the worst if the comment section is to be believed.

Ok but those comments are pretty hilarious browsing through
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