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German man living at Delhi airport since March 18

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Re: German man living at Delhi airport since March 18

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Post by 9nGQluzmnq3M »

Matt3o12_ wrote: post #2

> “While others were facilitated by their embassies concerned and were taken for quarantine, officials from the German embassy informed the Indian bureau of immigration that Ziebat is a wanted criminal in their country with several cases of assault and other crimes registered against him. Since he was on a foreign land, they did not take his custody." This sounds highly suspicious to me. If he is a wanted criminal, I…

Germany would be happy to have him board a flight to Germany, where he would be arrested on arrival, the problem is that there are (now) no flights at all. India is unwilling to let a convicted criminal in the country, but he has committed no crimes on Indian soil, so they're not arresting him. In a scenario like this there's very little the German embassy can do, it's not like they have their own private jail ready.

At this point, the guy is probably best off just waiting it out in the transit area, and getting a flight out to Turkey or wherever when they resume.

Re: German man living at Delhi airport since March 18

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Post by maxnoe »

Aeolun wrote: post #13
mirimir wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, that seems odd. But then, I know zero about German law. I suppose that none of the charges against him warrant extradition, so they're cool with him remaining in India. But on the other hand, he has a criminal record, so they don't have to repatriate him.

> But on the other hand, he has a criminal record, so they don't have to repatriate him. This is what seems highly unlikely to me. I wonder what is written on this in the German media.

German here fomlowing the German media broadly. This is the first I heard of this story.

Re: German man living at Delhi airport since March 18

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Post by netsharc »

netsharc wrote: post #11
mulmen wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How did we get from “a few cases of assault” to “terrorism”? The fact you use them interchangeably dilutes the meaning of both. Is what you describe of terrorist “suspects” also true of actual terrorists? This sounds like a dog whistle.

This commenter sounds like one of the people who have a chip in their shoulder about refugees, immigration in general and Muslim minorities..

Apparently I can't edit downvoted comments? I don't mean mulmen by "commenter", I mean the writer of the dead comment he was replying to (btw you can show flagged comments by enabling "showdead").

Re: German man living at Delhi airport since March 18

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Post by netsharc »

Tomte wrote: post #17
Aeolun wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But on the other hand, he has a criminal record, so they don't have to repatriate him. This is what seems highly unlikely to me. I wonder what is written on this in the German media.

A short Google (News) search in German turned up nothing.

Google just recommends me "Ziebart", which is a more common name, I'm wondering if the reporter misspelled his name.

Re: German man living at Delhi airport since March 18

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Post by Ayesh »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #9

As someone who spent years homeless, this is sort of a hoot: According to the second airport official, Ziebat has mostly spent the last 54 days reading magazines and newspapers, talking to his friends and family over the phone, eating at some of the fast food outlets still in operation within the terminal, interacting with housekeeping and security staff, taking walks within the transit area, and using the airport’s…

Not to compare, but I spent a couple days at an airport stranded, sleeping on my mattress and a sleeping bag. It was fairly comfortable with wifi, toilets, and other basics available at no cost or trouble. It kinda made me realize that it serves the purpose of someone in a situation like that. Lack of sun wore me out with 24/7 artificial lights though.

Re: German man living at Delhi airport since March 18

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Post by goodcanadian »

Matt3o12_ wrote: post #2

> “While others were facilitated by their embassies concerned and were taken for quarantine, officials from the German embassy informed the Indian bureau of immigration that Ziebat is a wanted criminal in their country with several cases of assault and other crimes registered against him. Since he was on a foreign land, they did not take his custody." This sounds highly suspicious to me. If he is a wanted criminal, I…

The article is somewhat inconsistent. In one place, it says he has a criminal record; in another, it says he is wanted. I suspect the word "not" got left out as Germany would take him if he was wanted. Also, he wouldn't have visas for several countries as it says in the article. I think he simply doesn't want to go back to Germany and is happy to stay put until he is able to continue his travel on his terms.

Re: German man living at Delhi airport since March 18

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Post by techsupporter »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #16
techsupporter wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It would be nice if, during a global pandemic, we could not sit around being all judgy going "People fucked over as a consequence of this here global pandemic were just being idiots!" Wholeheartedly agree. Humans of all stripes seem to have this need to place blame on others' failings on the person being "at fault" yet somehow their own mishaps are "bad luck." It's like the comment threads underneath lapses in secu…

If humans were always perfectly capable of never screwing up, the entire liability insurance market would cease to exist. Oh, it gets so much worse than that. If you are the "wrong kind of person" for some reason, misfortune comes at a much higher cost than for other people. In the US, white people generally suffer lighter consequences than people of color for the same mistakes. Men are generally judged less harshly…

Truer words never written. It’s amazing to me how many ways we can dress up “oh, you’re poor? Well, uh, have you tried...not...being poor?”

Re: German man living at Delhi airport since March 18

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Post by DoreenMichele »

techsupporter wrote: post #27
DoreenMichele wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If humans were always perfectly capable of never screwing up, the entire liability insurance market would cease to exist. Oh, it gets so much worse than that. If you are the "wrong kind of person" for some reason, misfortune comes at a much higher cost than for other people. In the US, white people generally suffer lighter consequences than people of color for the same mistakes. Men are generally judged less harshly…

Truer words never written. It’s amazing to me how many ways we can dress up “oh, you’re poor? Well, uh, have you tried...not...being poor?”

"Why, no. That hadn't occurred to me! But if you will give me some money, I will be happy to test drive it and see how I like it!"

;)

Re: German man living at Delhi airport since March 18

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

mirimir wrote: post #12
Matt3o12_ wrote: post #2

> “While others were facilitated by their embassies concerned and were taken for quarantine, officials from the German embassy informed the Indian bureau of immigration that Ziebat is a wanted criminal in their country with several cases of assault and other crimes registered against him. Since he was on a foreign land, they did not take his custody." This sounds highly suspicious to me. If he is a wanted criminal, I…

Yeah, that seems odd. But then, I know zero about German law. I suppose that none of the charges against him warrant extradition, so they're cool with him remaining in India. But on the other hand, he has a criminal record, so they don't have to repatriate him.

I'm not convinced that is the case. I'm going to guess they can take away his citizenship if he has citizenship elsewhere. I'm not sure they can refuse a citizen without citizenship elsewhere, though. This would leave the dude stateless - and while a few countries do this to their citizens, I'm nearly certain that Germany is not one of them.

Every other country - the ones where he is a foreigner - can most certainly refuse his entry, though.

Re: German man living at Delhi airport since March 18

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Post by Matt3o12_ »

9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #21
Matt3o12_ wrote: post #2

> “While others were facilitated by their embassies concerned and were taken for quarantine, officials from the German embassy informed the Indian bureau of immigration that Ziebat is a wanted criminal in their country with several cases of assault and other crimes registered against him. Since he was on a foreign land, they did not take his custody." This sounds highly suspicious to me. If he is a wanted criminal, I…

Germany would be happy to have him board a flight to Germany, where he would be arrested on arrival, the problem is that there are (now) no flights at all. India is unwilling to let a convicted criminal in the country, but he has committed no crimes on Indian soil, so they're not arresting him. In a scenario like this there's very little the German embassy can do, it's not like they have their own private jail ready.…

There were plenty of flights to Germany at the beginning of the lockdown. They were called rescue flights and I’m sure the German government would have loved to have him on board that flight (so that they can arrest him in Germany).

It’s sounded like he wanted to go to another country but couldn’t due to the lack of international flights.

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