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Being Slow to Criticise

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Re: Being Slow to Criticise

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Intersting. In my anecdotal experience cynics tend to speak in a very confident matter-of-fact tone that suggests others are fools for not embracing the cynical perspective. I imagine this gives cynicism an edge because people don't like to be perceived as too gullible or naive.

I have found that this can be a dangerous gamble on the part of the cynic. Often the cynic's argument can't even withstand a single clarifying question. The first person to ask "can you explain in detail why this won't work?" can often elevate themselves above the level of the cynic, sometimes humiliating the cynic in the process. I have experienced this from both perspectives and as a bystander. Today I try as much…

> The first person to ask "can you explain in detail why this won't work?"

Unfortunately, in some forums, that often leads to that person suffering a barrage of negativity whilst the cynic ignores the question in favour of blustering elsewhere.

Re: Being Slow to Criticise

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Being slow to criticise, particularly with colleagues you have to work day in and day out with, is critically important. That said, much of the FOSS currently available is either itself crap, or built on libraries and/or toolkits that are crap. I cite specifically anything of the GTK flavour, many popular things built in C/C++, and to a lesser degree QT. Why is this? Writing capstone technology (compilers and languag…

> The (just released) 1.0 is unbearably slow (i.e. unusable).

I've been playing with it on the work laptop (32GB, 16 core i9) and yeah, it's an unpleasant experience even there. But here's hoping they'll get to tweaking because it's pretty much the only way I can create embroidery files easily (via InkStitch)

Re: Being Slow to Criticise

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There's another factor at play in these discussions: Cynicism tends to look smart to outside observers. Cynicism is often mistaken for competence to outside observers. If a piece of software has a specific problem, the person chanting "This software is garbage" is going to look smarter than the people saying "Hold on, maybe this software is this way for a reason". There are various (somewhat weak) studies on the topi…

I think the same thing is going on with the commentary on economy currently. Whenever I browse around Reddit for example the comments that get upvoted are the cynical ones, "markets are irrational", "feds are pumping up the stocks" etc, but they do not put any real thought into what is happening with the markets and why.

Re: Being Slow to Criticise

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Another vector for unwarranted criticism to watch out for is self-insertion, not only in software. All of us (probably) constantly do self-insertion and imagine fictional situations where we are victims of some strange injustice.

Hacking mostly in the evening, and at latitudes where the sun doesn't shine for much of the year, I was recently momentarily mad at Libreoffice Calc for having lackluster dark-mode support. But the vast majority of people who use spreadsheets I assume do so at day in well-lit offices so I was inserting myself in a context which basically didn't concern me.

There are a lot of things which triggers us to self-insert, not all of it unwarranted or negative. Maybe one situation which causes problems is when people do it without an invitation...

Re: Being Slow to Criticise

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There's another factor at play in these discussions: Cynicism tends to look smart to outside observers. Cynicism is often mistaken for competence to outside observers. If a piece of software has a specific problem, the person chanting "This software is garbage" is going to look smarter than the people saying "Hold on, maybe this software is this way for a reason". There are various (somewhat weak) studies on the topi…

I think the same thing is going on with the commentary on economy currently. Whenever I browse around Reddit for example the comments that get upvoted are the cynical ones, "markets are irrational", "feds are pumping up the stocks" etc, but they do not put any real thought into what is happening with the markets and why.

That's a bit off-topic, but what do you think is happening? I'm considering buying some s&p500 based stock, but I'm a bit afraid. What do you, anonymous stranger on the interweb think?

Re: Being Slow to Criticise

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the same thing is going on with the commentary on economy currently. Whenever I browse around Reddit for example the comments that get upvoted are the cynical ones, "markets are irrational", "feds are pumping up the stocks" etc, but they do not put any real thought into what is happening with the markets and why.

That's a bit off-topic, but what do you think is happening? I'm considering buying some s&p500 based stock, but I'm a bit afraid. What do you, anonymous stranger on the interweb think?

I have many thoughts on this topic, I'm not an expert and many of these are theories up with so the may also be flat out wrong, but I just disagree with the sentiment that markets are irrational or it's just feds pumping up the stock. I think saying those things is dismissive and anti-intellectual.

When I'm trying to think about the subject and whether I should invest myself, I'm trying to figure out what are the actual consequences of coronavirus long term and what in general are investor's motivations.

Here are few assumptions I make:

1. Stock price is determined by an umbrella of possible consequences and chances for each consequence. These are just examples, but for example there might be 30% chance that we can manage coronavirus while reopening the economy, +50% chances that we will have a vaccine in 1 year period that we can mass-produce etc. For each of those consequences we can think of an appropriate SP500 price (I'm taking SP500 here as an example, but it could be any other index as well). If economy goes back to normal, the SP500 price could go to 3400 again. Investors will try to predict what are the odds and in total stock price should reflect what investors on average think the odds of something to happen are.

2. The way investors react to these possible consequences comes from that specific investor's expectations and long term strategy. It's important to know what is average investors expectations and risk tolerance. If SP500 is 2200 (which it was when people were expecting it to go to 1700) and you expect 90% of chances of SP500 going back to 3400 within 3 years you can determine that you have 90% chances of making 54% returns within 3 years which is crazy good. So at this point it makes sense for most investors to buy in, because even if it goes lower, you will still be making very good returns. Now that SP is at 2800-2900 I think it's still better to buy in than not, but you can't obviously expect as fantastic returns. I bought in and even with a little bit margin, but I have enough margin left to buy in more if stock should fall. I'm investing and looking at least 5-10 years ahead. So it makes sense for investors to buy in now that they are not crippled by fears of what coronavirus might do - it's already quite clear it's not the end of the world even if it might shake up economy further throughout this year.

3. There are possibly some positive long term effects of coronavirus. Increased productivity, tech and automation from having been forced to experiment with WFH etc. I think all of these might increase productivity. I'm speaking of those not to just sound optimistic, but these are something a lot of people don't mention.

These are just rough thoughts I have right now, but in conclusion I have decided to buy in since I have determined that in 3-7 years there are very high chances of making very decent returns. I doubt corona can affect us for that long timeframe.

Of course it's more risky than usual to buy in right now so if you have low risk tolerance it's up to you. If you possibly need that cash within 1-3 years, then maybe not buy in, but whether you should buy in right now should be determined with when you want to use that money and how much you are willing to risk. Usually more risk means more reward since only people who can handle that risk will be buying (so stocks will be more underpriced when there's more risk and uncertainty). And since I don't want to use that money before 5 years anyway, for me it definitely makes sense to take that risk. Also even if stocks fall just after you bought in you must be able to handle that and not think you did the wrong thing and sell. You likely wouldn't be able to sell in time anyway.

Many people are fearful right now which means a lot of people are holding cash or shorting. Once fear subsides, stock will start to climb faster again so you should want to be in before general fear subsides..

Re: Being Slow to Criticise

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There's another factor at play in these discussions: Cynicism tends to look smart to outside observers. Cynicism is often mistaken for competence to outside observers. If a piece of software has a specific problem, the person chanting "This software is garbage" is going to look smarter than the people saying "Hold on, maybe this software is this way for a reason". There are various (somewhat weak) studies on the topi…

I think the same thing is going on with the commentary on economy currently. Whenever I browse around Reddit for example the comments that get upvoted are the cynical ones, "markets are irrational", "feds are pumping up the stocks" etc, but they do not put any real thought into what is happening with the markets and why.

Nobel prize winners in economics think the markets are irrational in important ways, this is not a fringe view, nor is it particularly cynical.

https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691173122/ir...

I don't think starting from the EMH is correct either, I suspect nobody really knows why the US stock market doesn't reflect the deepest recession since the 1930s, though of course everyone has opinions. The market may simply be wrong in its assessment of risk at this time (it tends to swing wildly around the true future returns), or the recession might be very short (as mr market currently believes).

Re: Being Slow to Criticise

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I see Colin is atoning and reforming from even 1 day ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23125032 This is good

This comment was flagged dead, and I have vouched for it. Please don't downvote it ... it clearly shows an underlying misunderstanding, and as such deserves to be answered.

My comment that you reference was an attempt to find the merit in the idea that I couldn't see, but I assumed would be there because I was assuming the proposer thought it was a good one. I was starting from a position of "Well, this person thinks it's a good idea, but I can't see why, so let's see if we can find how it would work, and what problems it solves. Then we can address any potential drawbacks."

It was intended to be an invitation to get some discussion about how it would work, what it would do, what problems it would solve, and where the value lay. I was surprised and disappointed that no reply was forthcoming, and the thread died.

I guess I just wasn't clear enough, and for that I am saddened.

Re: Being Slow to Criticise

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On a related note, suppose that you already spent too much time to try to really understand the code and asked the developers for the motivations for their strange desing decisions. How do you present criticism in a constructive way then?

Re: Being Slow to Criticise

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There's another factor at play in these discussions: Cynicism tends to look smart to outside observers. Cynicism is often mistaken for competence to outside observers. If a piece of software has a specific problem, the person chanting "This software is garbage" is going to look smarter than the people saying "Hold on, maybe this software is this way for a reason". There are various (somewhat weak) studies on the topi…

I think the same thing is going on with the commentary on economy currently. Whenever I browse around Reddit for example the comments that get upvoted are the cynical ones, "markets are irrational", "feds are pumping up the stocks" etc, but they do not put any real thought into what is happening with the markets and why.

It's simply easier to dismiss the potential legitimacy of actions which challenge one's existing notions than to reconsider those notions.

What's interesting is that "markets are irrational" cannot be a failure of the market but a failure of the rational theory being used to interpret markets. That is, current economic theory is squalid by its attempts to explain market phenomenon; and that is to the extent the market is irrational, the degree it disagrees with the theory. It was for this reason Von Neumann readily decided to eschew economic theory.

Quite contrary to common belief, "rationality" has nothing to do with knowledge nor degree of skill in achieving some objective measure. For instance, one with perfect pitch has an ability which is irrational but one could hardly call it invalid.

Rationality is merely the quality of propounding some intellectual framework of which others can subscribe to in sharing of that understanding based on the framework of symbols and their operations embedded in our global culture.

A thing is said to be rational when it can be interpreted completely into one of these pre-existing frameworks which claim to circumscribe the phenomenal sphere of that thing.

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