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Re: James Damore and three others end Google suit

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I remember at a previous job, a female engineer talking to other engineers when the Damore story broke. She said "I can't believe he said that women can't be good engineers" and indicated he deserved to be fired. As someone who actually read what he wrote, I just had to bite my tongue. That's not what he said at all , but even making the distinction makes you one of "them" and politicizes the workplace. It's just dis…

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Re: James Damore and three others end Google suit

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post #16

I remember at a previous job, a female engineer talking to other engineers when the Damore story broke. She said "I can't believe he said that women can't be good engineers" and indicated he deserved to be fired. As someone who actually read what he wrote, I just had to bite my tongue. That's not what he said at all , but even making the distinction makes you one of "them" and politicizes the workplace. It's just dis…

The dude is talking about probabilities and distributions, while the stats-ignorant public is generalizing to every individual.

It's impossible to have a scientific and open minded debate about the differences between genders. Even theorizing biologic differences exist makes you a sexist. Let alone bringing up this question in public.

Edit: Yes, his memo is totally tone deaf. I thought his wording was very questionable. But the his core argument (regarding differences in biology leading to differences in distributions) is worth debating.

Example: There's a noticeable distributional difference in 100m running times between genders (due to biology). That said any number of men or women are faster runners than me :) Population doesn't mean anything for the individual.

Re: James Damore and three others end Google suit

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I think conversations can be had with people like him, instead of taking the worst part of their views and ostracizing them for it. I think it is fine to acknowledge angst in the implementation of progressive ideals, that angst will often be mixed in with purely insensitive and uneducated thoughts. There are productive outcomes possible by parsing and separating those issues. I think it has been a big mistake of tech…

Except this wasn’t a conversation between people. It was an email blast nobody asked for or opted into.

It was purposely leaked from an internal message board by an employee who didn't like the content.

Re: James Damore and three others end Google suit

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post #16

I remember at a previous job, a female engineer talking to other engineers when the Damore story broke. She said "I can't believe he said that women can't be good engineers" and indicated he deserved to be fired. As someone who actually read what he wrote, I just had to bite my tongue. That's not what he said at all , but even making the distinction makes you one of "them" and politicizes the workplace. It's just dis…

You didn't have to bite your tongue - you could've told her she's wrong.

Re: James Damore and three others end Google suit

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Sadly, the person who leaked conversations on an internal, proprietary corporate messaging system was never held accountable for her actions.

If I had designed the system, I would have made it a fireable offense to knowingly leak something from the platform. Without a penalty, this kind of situation was both foreseeable and inevitable.

Re: James Damore and three others end Google suit

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I think conversations can be had with people like him, instead of taking the worst part of their views and ostracizing them for it. I think it is fine to acknowledge angst in the implementation of progressive ideals, that angst will often be mixed in with purely insensitive and uneducated thoughts. There are productive outcomes possible by parsing and separating those issues. I think it has been a big mistake of tech…

Except this wasn’t a conversation between people. It was an email blast nobody asked for or opted into.

Was it an random email or on Google's internal discussion boards?

Re: James Damore and three others end Google suit

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Damore does not fit into the neat ideological right or left classification but it would be impossible for an institution like Bloomberg to have nuance on this issue. Just because some deplorable lifted him up doesn't mean he should be defined specifically on an ideological axis. But, of course, who gives a fuck. The rage machine rages on.

But he did become an alt-right / Fox News / conservative machine darling.

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Re: James Damore and three others end Google suit

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Damore does not fit into the neat ideological right or left classification but it would be impossible for an institution like Bloomberg to have nuance on this issue. Just because some deplorable lifted him up doesn't mean he should be defined specifically on an ideological axis. But, of course, who gives a fuck. The rage machine rages on.

But he did become an alt-right / Fox News / conservative machine darling.

Of course, "I have to hate it because opposing media likes it" is no more rational than "I have to like it because allied media likes it."
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