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Junk-Bond Sellers Desperate for Funding Swallow Yields over 10%

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Re: Junk-Bond Sellers Desperate for Funding Swallow Yields over 10%

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This is unsustainable debt levels. It's like living on credit cards. These companies and countries should be downsizing.

At the moment? Downsizing employers in the emergency will likely wreck the recovery, and you can't "downsize" a country without a body count.

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Looks like we're setting ourselves up for a junk bond bubble down the road.

Central banks will just buy them onto their balance sheets. Its already begun: https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2020/04/30/1588254981000/How-sho... https://www.afr.com/markets/debt-markets/why-the-rba-is-lend...

This is really worrying. There is no central bank of central bank, so this really is the last lifeline. The system has been pushed to its limit.

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Companies were over-leveraged and didn't have cash stockpiles. They're trying to get liquid cash so they don't have to divest of assets in a market that isn't buying or go into chapter 11. All the same, people are willing to extend loans because they are long on the economy, recovery, and return to normalcy. The engines are starting again. The biggest issue was that companies were over-leveraged with debt. Maybe we'l…

why would you be more prudent when your failures will become a social cost while your successes will become a private profit?

moral hazard through the roof

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I am surprised the Avis has to goto the junk bond market - the cruise line I can sort of get

I'd assume most of their business is renting to people who've just flown somewhere, and right now hardly anyone is doing that.

Ah true - though I wonder if their balance sheet wasn't that good to start with.

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Don't these yields suggest that people actually aren't willing to extend the loans which is why the yields are spiking. Double digit yields in a deflationary economy should indicate that these loans are being made with a high expectation of default.

I am surprised the Avis has to goto the junk bond market - the cruise line I can sort of get

Hertz is on the verge of bankruptcy so it only follows that the risk premium for Avis is high.

Just think - if nobody is flying, who is renting all those cars?

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Companies were over-leveraged and didn't have cash stockpiles. They're trying to get liquid cash so they don't have to divest of assets in a market that isn't buying or go into chapter 11. All the same, people are willing to extend loans because they are long on the economy, recovery, and return to normalcy. The engines are starting again. The biggest issue was that companies were over-leveraged with debt. Maybe we'l…

>> The engines are starting again.

The engines are always on, when prices/yields are allowed to appropriately reflect risk, without interference or intervention. One of the most important functions of an unobstructed free market is price discovery.

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I don't know that I see 95% dilution as totally reasonable terms for a bailout (though I know absolutely nothing about the details of that example), but making it clear that bailouts come with a cost seems like a good development ... so good on the Norwegian government for doing that.

Why do you consider that unreasonable, when the free-market option is bankruptcy? They got to keep 5%, rather than 0! The terms of the emergency loan was a certain debt:equity ratio, so in order to qualify, their very high debt load had to be reduced. This could be accomplished in any way the company desired, and it turned out that the only viable pathway was to allow bondholders to convert their loans to new shares…

bankruptcy isn't necessarily zero, but for a highly leveraged company it probably will be.

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I am surprised the Avis has to goto the junk bond market - the cruise line I can sort of get

Hertz is on the verge of bankruptcy so it only follows that the risk premium for Avis is high. Just think - if nobody is flying, who is renting all those cars?

No one, they dont even have enough parking for them to all be idle simultaneously. The airport rental agencies near me have been renting out all the stadium parking nearby to use as overflow storage.

Re: Junk-Bond Sellers Desperate for Funding Swallow Yields over 10%

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Companies were over-leveraged and didn't have cash stockpiles. They're trying to get liquid cash so they don't have to divest of assets in a market that isn't buying or go into chapter 11. All the same, people are willing to extend loans because they are long on the economy, recovery, and return to normalcy. The engines are starting again. The biggest issue was that companies were over-leveraged with debt. Maybe we'l…

To play devil's advocate, how are companies over-leveraged during an environment of such low interest rates? Companies will optimize their capital structure for the lowest cost of capital, and if the cost of debt decreases, companies should rationally leverage accordingly.

That's why we see Apple issuing $8B of debt (at ~135bps over 30 year Treasury bonds!) despite having over $200B of cash on hand. If your hurdle rate is 2.5%, surely your profitable business can return more to shareholders than that, so you should binge on this capital source? (Or even, as Apple claims it will do, distribute this directly to shareholders via buybacks & dividends.)

Also, I would qualify your statement that people are not necessarily long the economy in the short-term, which is where credit markets have miraculously thawed; they're long the fact that they will undoubtedly be able to get credit from yet someone else (namely, the lender of last resort).

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