Probably not surprising that most people don’t know, but negative keyword search works on all these platforms: shirt -stripes
It would be really nice if the search engines would automatically apply the "-" when it sees the work "without".
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#23The point that the author is making, in a very understated way, is that all three companies have PR websites that breathlessly describe their advanced AI capabilities, yet they cannot understand a very simple query that young children can.
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#24A few years back (in around 2012) I attended an NLP talk.
The theme of this talk was how they did a study that showed prepositions and articles do have meaning. A big deal was made out of the results.
I think things like this happens when people consider engineering approximations such as bag of words to be the truth over time.
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#25Probably not surprising that most people don’t know, but negative keyword search works on all these platforms: shirt -stripes
It would be really nice if the search engines would automatically apply the "-" when it sees the work "without".
I’m not so sure.
What about a search query for “Doctors without Borders“ or “Men Without Hats“?
Surely interpreting “without“ as the negative operator would ruin those searches.
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
The results are exactly what I would expect and hope to get.
When you search for “shirt without stripes” you expect and hope to get shirts and t-shirts with stripes?
Yes. I expect to get results that contain the keywords "shirt", "stripes", and "without", but perhaps with the last term ignored. Why, what would you expect? Would you search for "shirts that don't have stripes"? Or "shirts lacking stripes"?
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#27Learn you some Google-foo. Don't say what it isn't. Say what it is. "shirt solid color"
But that would exclude polka dots and floral patterns..?
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#28To me, the most interesting implication here is that this must not adversely affect Google's ad revenue. If it did, they would surely fix it. This, in turn, means that apparently we have been trained to interface with search engines such that this is not a problem.
Sometimes I wonder how much my brain has changed to use search engines / how much of it is dedicated to effective googling. Makes me feel like a cyborg.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
When you search for “shirt without stripes” you expect and hope to get shirts and t-shirts with stripes?
Yes. I expect to get results that contain the keywords "shirt", "stripes", and "without", but perhaps with the last term ignored. Why, what would you expect? Would you search for "shirts that don't have stripes"? Or "shirts lacking stripes"?
>Why, what would you expect?
I'd expect to see some of the much touted "search intelligence", NLP, term inference, vector term analysis, and AI in action...
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#30Or you can do this: https://www.google.com/search?q=shirt+-stripes
Still includes some shirts with stripes, since the search is now just for shirts that don't explicitly mention stripes.
That's not what the - operator is supposed to do. It's supposed to suppress pages containing the keyword after the -.