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Watch Zoox’s autonomous car drive around San Francisco for an hour

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Casually starting the turn and not yielding to pedestrians at 10:21. Companies actually put this kind of footage up without ever reviewing it?

Casually starting a turn and correctly identifying that the person on the right slowed down, stopped and turned to face the other crosswalk. You can see it on the top right camera.

I take it the ped at 12:22 also "turned"?

Re: Watch Zoox’s autonomous car drive around San Francisco for an hour

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've been keeping abreast. The co-founder, Tim Kentley Klay was somehow able to get Jesse Levinson on board, and Jesse Levinson had no problem getting infinite street cred on board. So they were able to attract a lot of key, original robotics talent before the hype got out of control. For a long time though, they were low on funds, so they did lots of closed course testing, and it wasn't until they closed a large…

Thanks for the info. Can you clarify what predictions in multi agent scenarios are?

I think was is meant is: in case you have a few people and AVs in an interaction, predict who's going to do what in order to best anticipate the overall outcome. Not sure humans can do that outside of conversation and norms and rules.

Re: Watch Zoox’s autonomous car drive around San Francisco for an hour

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This demo is not informative as to the readiness for scalable L4 deployment, for which it would be necessary to focus on the breadth/accuracy of perception features under the hood of intent prediction and what happens at the tail end with arbitrary situations that occur in urban driving environments.

    This demo is not informative as to the readiness for scalable L4 deployment
does anyone make that claim?

Re: Watch Zoox’s autonomous car drive around San Francisco for an hour

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you referring to the pedestrian who's almost crossed the crosswalk on the left side of the screen? This is still a proper yield as far as I can see. The car just enters the intersection before that person has finished crossing.

That's already the problem. Don't enter the intersection if you can not speedily finish your turn. There is also already another ped on collision course the moment they start moving forward.

While technically right, you'll never be able to get anywhere in a big city if you drive like that.

Re: Watch Zoox’s autonomous car drive around San Francisco for an hour

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you provide more context on the first part.

They've been keeping abreast. The co-founder, Tim Kentley Klay was somehow able to get Jesse Levinson on board, and Jesse Levinson had no problem getting infinite street cred on board. So they were able to attract a lot of key, original robotics talent before the hype got out of control. For a long time though, they were low on funds, so they did lots of closed course testing, and it wasn't until they closed a large…

Multi-agent refers to behavior of pedestrians/cyclists, and other cars on the road. This is especially tough in "ambigous" junctions such as roundabouts, and unprotected left turns. There the strategy to negotiate the junctor is highly context dependent, and the information needed to find a strategy is not in the current scene. Drivers in these moments draw on "cultural awareness" of what "should" be done. Observing a history of what people do in these situations may not be sufficient because of the long tail of unique events, or at least unique in terms of how the computer will represent the scene. For example, if the scene is represented by the set of trajectories (or really waympoints), then the set of possibiilties is infinite. All of this assume the car "knows" it's entering and exiting a predefined scenario such as roundabout, real life driving is not so discrete.

On top of this, there's a liability and ethics issue. We accept teenagers for getting drunk and killing people, but we cannot accept an autonomous car that cannot navigate a roundabout which would otherwise be easy for a person, sober or otherwise.

Re: Watch Zoox’s autonomous car drive around San Francisco for an hour

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've been keeping abreast. The co-founder, Tim Kentley Klay was somehow able to get Jesse Levinson on board, and Jesse Levinson had no problem getting infinite street cred on board. So they were able to attract a lot of key, original robotics talent before the hype got out of control. For a long time though, they were low on funds, so they did lots of closed course testing, and it wasn't until they closed a large…

Thanks for the info. Can you clarify what predictions in multi agent scenarios are?

Imagine an uncontrolled intersection. The Robotaxi is approaching from one direction. In the opposite direction is a cyclist who intends to turn left across the Robotaxi. There is also a pedestrian that may or may not cross the street, and another vehicle about to cross in front of the Robotaxi from the other direction. There are a huge number of ways this scenario can play out, and any decision made by one agent can affect the behaviors of all the others, compounding it's complexity. Humans can game out these situations intuitively, but current AI cannot read deep enough into the matrix to deal with these situations quickly and reliably.

Re: Watch Zoox’s autonomous car drive around San Francisco for an hour

#27

This demo is not informative as to the readiness for scalable L4 deployment, for which it would be necessary to focus on the breadth/accuracy of perception features under the hood of intent prediction and what happens at the tail end with arbitrary situations that occur in urban driving environments.

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Re: Watch Zoox’s autonomous car drive around San Francisco for an hour

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This demo is not informative as to the readiness for scalable L4 deployment, for which it would be necessary to focus on the breadth/accuracy of perception features under the hood of intent prediction and what happens at the tail end with arbitrary situations that occur in urban driving environments.

This demo is not informative as to the readiness for scalable L4 deployment does anyone make that claim?

Presenting a subset of the information to let the uninformed jump to favorable conclusions for the presenter is not a new marketing strategy. If there's no indication about the true level of progress, what is the purpose of the demo?

Re: Watch Zoox’s autonomous car drive around San Francisco for an hour

#29
Cheap criticism: the video starts with (I paraphrase) "This is 1 hour of driving", the last thing I expected after the fade-out/in was to see a man with a weird shirt... and then I notice the video is about 27 minutes long.

Edit to add: After that I started watching it, it's actually a video of an impressive AI.

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