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Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

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Post by stiray » Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 4:58 PM UTC

6gvONxR4sf7o wrote: post #10

As a California or EU resident, shouldn't it be illegal for it to be opt-out? (edit: on further reading it looks like GDPR requires opt in, while CCPA seems to only require opt in for people younger than 16, and requires opt-out for people 16 or older, which is some bullshit) Regardless, I should be able to say "I'm opting out" and the onus should be on them to figure out how to do it, rather than me submitting enoug…

There is a slight problem (i am not sure if this is valid case, just thinking loud), if the data were gathered from public sources like fb, they might argue that those data are public.

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

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Post by hwbehrens » Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 5:01 PM UTC

stiray wrote: post #20

newscracker wrote: post #9

Should every person start keeping a list of all privacy intrusions and then opt out? That’s never going to work out due to user fatigue, which is what all these opt out platforms depend on (that nobody will go through the trouble of doing it). (Not exactly the same) Just like Facebook announced a few years ago asking users to send it nude photos just so it could take down nude photos of that person, this also is ripe…

What you have said is one thing. Intrusion like this can only be opt-in. But I am having another problem with opt-out with such a fishy company. Who guarantees me that after I send them my ID, they wont just take it, add the data to database and set a flag "hidden" to the records.

Often, these companies will not only do as you suggested, they will turn around and sell your data at a premium (since it's been confirmed) to third-party companies before marking it as hidden.

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

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Post by jcahill » Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 5:02 PM UTC

Business logic fades. Being on the list of companies that pulled this shit is forever, plus or minus an asteroid impact or two.

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

#24

Post by stonogo » Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 5:02 PM UTC

cgb223 wrote: post #17

For those of us that aren’t familiar, what exactly is Clearview.ai?

A startup: Face classification and person tracking via photo scraping social media, as a service, offered to law enforcement agencies, and they keep getting hacked.

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

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Post by saschag » Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 5:03 PM UTC

tozeur wrote: post #5

Just submitted. Curious to see what they have

at the very least, all the correct info you gave them, just to tell them not to have it

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

#26

Post by bosie » Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 5:04 PM UTC

stiray wrote: post #21

6gvONxR4sf7o wrote: post #10

As a California or EU resident, shouldn't it be illegal for it to be opt-out? (edit: on further reading it looks like GDPR requires opt in, while CCPA seems to only require opt in for people younger than 16, and requires opt-out for people 16 or older, which is some bullshit) Regardless, I should be able to say "I'm opting out" and the onus should be on them to figure out how to do it, rather than me submitting enoug…

There is a slight problem (i am not sure if this is valid case, just thinking loud), if the data were gathered from public sources like fb, they might argue that those data are public.

What part of fb is considered a 'public source'?

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

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Post by antidaily » Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 5:04 PM UTC

tozeur wrote: post #5

Just submitted. Curious to see what they have

does it show you that info?

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

#28

Post by diebeforei485 » Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 5:04 PM UTC

newscracker wrote: post #9

Should every person start keeping a list of all privacy intrusions and then opt out? That’s never going to work out due to user fatigue, which is what all these opt out platforms depend on (that nobody will go through the trouble of doing it). (Not exactly the same) Just like Facebook announced a few years ago asking users to send it nude photos just so it could take down nude photos of that person, this also is ripe…

I know the media attacked Facebook for that announcement, but everything I can gather suggests that it was just meant to give victims more control and didn't have any nefarious motives (unlike other 'features' offered by Facebook).

https://twitter.com/alexstamos/status/1249202002875297792?s=...

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

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Post by api » Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 5:07 PM UTC

Knowing what I know about the sketch factor of this company I am reluctant to interact with them in any way, as this would just give them more data.

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

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Post by Nextgrid » Fri, Apr 17, 2020, 5:07 PM UTC

bosie wrote: post #26

stiray wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a slight problem (i am not sure if this is valid case, just thinking loud), if the data were gathered from public sources like fb, they might argue that those data are public.

What part of fb is considered a 'public source'?

If you make your profile available publicly then I'd argue it is indeed public. As far as I'm aware, Clearview doesn't have a relationship with Facebook to access non-public data and instead they just operate a web crawler storing anything that's being served without requiring auth.