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Economists who defend disaster profiteers are wrong

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Re: Economists who defend disaster profiteers are wrong

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It's very interesting to me that (nearly) everyone agrees that reselling disaster supplies like masks, hand sanitizer, etc. for a large profit is terrible, but somehow selling literal essentials like food, housing, and healthcare for profit is just fine.

Maybe free circulation of good and services are a good thing.

Re: Economists who defend disaster profiteers are wrong

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Increased production doesn’t occur because the economics don’t work, it doesn’t occur because there’s just no way to physically ramp up production that fast. That’s not really a critique of the economics. If production could be increased that fast the manufacturers would. An important point the article didn’t address is that high prices direct resources to more important uses. If prices are very high then hospitals m…

Right. High prices serve as a production signal and a rationing mechanism. There is nothing wrong with rationing access to scarce goods via the price mechanism. The alternative is waste.

Re: Economists who defend disaster profiteers are wrong

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, your local library might have an online subscription to The Economist. Take advantage of it :)

Yeah, that's real convenient... Either information is free or it isn't. I'm not going to look for some asinine way to access every piece of information I am linked to.

I wasn't suggesting you should do it just for this article. My library has a really good selection of newspapers and magazines that they make available online and I use it frequently. I figured some people may not know about that but would find it useful if they knew about it.

Re: Economists who defend disaster profiteers are wrong

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post #15

It's very interesting to me that (nearly) everyone agrees that reselling disaster supplies like masks, hand sanitizer, etc. for a large profit is terrible, but somehow selling literal essentials like food, housing, and healthcare for profit is just fine.

You just said the keyword...”resell” vs “well”! The difference between immoral opportunist and opportunists is vast.

Re: Economists who defend disaster profiteers are wrong

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Increased production doesn’t occur because the economics don’t work, it doesn’t occur because there’s just no way to physically ramp up production that fast. That’s not really a critique of the economics. If production could be increased that fast the manufacturers would. An important point the article didn’t address is that high prices direct resources to more important uses. If prices are very high then hospitals m…

> high prices direct resources to more important uses I don't think that that is always true. High prices will redirect scarce resources to those who have the means and desire to pay for them. That doesn't necessarily mean that those uses are more important, regardless of how one defines what it means for the resource usage to be important.

> High prices will redirect scarce resources to those who have the means and desire to pay for them.

That's true. Don't you think it's also true that those who need a good more have a greater desire to pay for that good? I understand that not everyone has the same ability to pay, but we can't crucify the market on the cross of equity. History shows that when you try to allocate goods based on feelings (some random official's idea of "need") and not prices (which reflect true preferences), you create shortages, black markets, and misery. Command economies just don't work.

There are ways of addressing monetary inequality (e.g., a stipend) in an emergency that don't break the fundamental resource allocation function of the market.

Re: Economists who defend disaster profiteers are wrong

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Increased production doesn’t occur because the economics don’t work, it doesn’t occur because there’s just no way to physically ramp up production that fast. That’s not really a critique of the economics. If production could be increased that fast the manufacturers would. An important point the article didn’t address is that high prices direct resources to more important uses. If prices are very high then hospitals m…

I was able to get kleenex and paper towels saturday because the grocery store is now limiting people to one purchase per day. I am sure there are people who need more than that, and any system of rationing should allow for exceptions. But when people insist that a "free" market is inherently correct, it's no different from insisting that your OS scheduler is perfect even though some processes never get to run https:/…

The article and my comment are not about rationing. The article is about anti-"price gouging" laws.

Re: Economists who defend disaster profiteers are wrong

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post #15

It's very interesting to me that (nearly) everyone agrees that reselling disaster supplies like masks, hand sanitizer, etc. for a large profit is terrible, but somehow selling literal essentials like food, housing, and healthcare for profit is just fine.

Maybe free circulation of good and services are a good thing.

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Re: Economists who defend disaster profiteers are wrong

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Increased production doesn’t occur because the economics don’t work, it doesn’t occur because there’s just no way to physically ramp up production that fast. That’s not really a critique of the economics. If production could be increased that fast the manufacturers would. An important point the article didn’t address is that high prices direct resources to more important uses. If prices are very high then hospitals m…

> If prices are very high then hospitals may be the only ones who can afford them, versus people on the street.

Outlawing price gauging alone just ensures masks go to people who don’t need them as much as doctors.

The problem is that doesn't seem to reflect the reality of the situation. Why are hospitals still experiencing shortages? What stops manufacturers and sellers from limiting supply to drive up prices? This is why governments are stepping in and forcing medical supplies to go to healthcare. They wouldn't get there otherwise.

Re: Economists who defend disaster profiteers are wrong

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post #15

It's very interesting to me that (nearly) everyone agrees that reselling disaster supplies like masks, hand sanitizer, etc. for a large profit is terrible, but somehow selling literal essentials like food, housing, and healthcare for profit is just fine.

Is the bar "large profit" or is there more too it?

I think there is more than "large profit" at work here when people talk about disaster profiteers.

Re: Economists who defend disaster profiteers are wrong

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post #15

It's very interesting to me that (nearly) everyone agrees that reselling disaster supplies like masks, hand sanitizer, etc. for a large profit is terrible, but somehow selling literal essentials like food, housing, and healthcare for profit is just fine.

What's being decried here is reselling essential disaster supplies at a large profit, not just being part of a supply chain. The key words are 'essential disaster supplies' (ie. things that we suddenly have a large inelastic demand for) and 'at a large profit' (ie. taking advantage of an adverse situation to price gouge).

Your local supermarket making 30% on loaves of bread isn't doing either of these things. Healthcare is the closest to fitting the bill, if we're talking about the U.S., and you guys should look into that even without a pandemic as impetus.

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