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Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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Re: Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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I hate to say it, but I’m actually jealous of people who have gone through and recovered from COVID-19. You can enter normal life again, you don’t need to have the fear, the rest of us are simply waiting because the chances of us getting it at some point is very high. I actually wonder if some controlled exposure might be a good thing, I can get it and (statistically) recover from it at a place away from my family, a…

It isn't clear yet that someone who gets COVID-19 can't get it again. In this case, fear comes from not knowing much about the virus yet:

https://health.usnews.com/conditions/articles/if-i-get-coron...

> Not every virus functions the same way, though, and extensive research into whether the SARS-CoV-2 virus that causes COVID-19 generates enough antibodies to impart a durable immune response is unclear. But there’s plenty of reason to hope that a vaccine can be developed, and, in fact, clinical trials have already started.

> For one, it appears that some people who get COVID-19 may not develop antibodies to the virus. Additionally, there are still many other uncertainties related to the body's immune response to this particular pathogen.

And long term:

> For example, is this virus going to behave more like the flu, which changes each year and thus requires a different vaccine formulation each year? Or is it going to be more like tetanus, which is a more stable virus. The tetanus vaccine typically covers you for about 10 years at a stretch.

Re: Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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But for those of us with Covid-19, the full force of modern social technologies that enable cooperation, communication and specialization among billions of humans around the world has been applied and come up snake eyes. For the record, I don't think this is an accurate representation of the situation. The world has done a remarkable job of coming up with ventilators, masks and new practices on the fly in the face of…

As a matter of caution, I always keep psychostimulants handy. Particularly: ephedrine, pseudoephedrine, and amphetamine salts. Also keep some other beta receptor agonists, like Ventolin. You never know when it can save your life.

Are those medicines actually advisable for covid?

Re: Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know but I’ve become aware of just how difficult it is to remain pristine. Touch a door handle? After that did you touch your phone, keys or wallet at the store? Did you touch your car door handle? When you washed your hands, did you disinfect the faucet handle and soap dispenser after? It’s always a game of percentages even when you’re careful.

Yes. It's extremely hard. Clothes are especially hard. I have to take my dog out two times a day and I always try to use the same shoes and same hoodie for this activity. I wash them every other day, but that's a half-baked hygiene measure. In reality, the only way to be safe is to always wash all your clothing every time you go out, but with a dog, I find that pretty hard.

> In reality, the only way to be safe is to always wash all your clothing every time you go out, but with a dog, I find that pretty hard.

Quarantining the exposed clothes is a better method IMHO, just setup a FIFO of quarantine bins. Add sunlight if possible. I've been using 2-3 days personally, depending on what it is.

Re: Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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I've been struggling with health issues for the past 3 years. My heart races. My blood pressure spikes to dangerous levels. I get heart palpitations. I get pains in my chest. When it happens it's alarming and it's easy to fall into fear. I've gone to the hospital a few times absolutely sure I'm having a heart attack. But it seems that my heart is fine (as far as anyone can tell). I have a host of other problematic symptoms too, but for years nobody could find any real problem.

It's easy to say, "It's a panic attack". It does not appear to be life threatening. But boy does it feel life threatening. The doctors all say, "We can't find anything wrong with you" (apart from you heart racing randomly, your blood pressure spiking to dangerous levels, heart paplitations and various other problems). But what if they missed something? It's pretty hard to gamble your life on this stuff. I was absolutely fine until one day I wasn't. Something must have changed.

One of the problems with getting symptoms and not being able to diagnose the illness exactly is that you will never know. Pain in your chest. Difficulty breathing. Complete lethargy. It could be corona virus. It could be a panic attack brought on by worrying about the corona virus. You will never know unless you are tested (and even then it might not be right).

My experience has been that sometimes I take comfort in imagining that I have some strange disease that nobody knows about. It certainly feels better to me than, "My nervous system is making me ill through stress that I don't know how to relieve". But, I've also found that if I believe I'm ill, then the symptoms feel worse as well, even though I get some psychological relief from the stress of experiencing the symptoms.

The best way that I've come to deal with the problem is simply to believe that I will feel well again soon. I may feel bad now, but soon I will feel better. I may have an illness. I may not have an illness. It may be life threatening. It may not. Even if it is life threatening, there is nothing more I can do. So it is best to believe that I will feel better soon. This has helped me immeasurably, even though it is quite difficult to do.

I recently (and as a last resort) had a sleep test. I averaged 52 apnic arousals per hour. In other words, at most I was sleeping for a minute or so at a time. They gave me a cpap machine and while I would be lying if I said all my symptoms are magically going away immediately, I do feel a lot better now that I've started to get used to the machine.

But the reality is that your belief is powerful medicine in an of itself. Whether your are ill or not. Whether you have corona virus, or the flu, or whether you are just very tired and stressed: believing that you will feel better soon will help enourmously in my experience.

Re: Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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I'm also in CO and had COVID-19 like symptoms about a month ago (fever and GI issues without any other major symptoms for a week progressing into a dry cough/heavy breathing -- completely unlike any other flu I've had). I never got tested due to lack of test kits here in CO at the time and because my symptoms stayed manageable I never saw a health care provider beyond a virtual meeting to get a rescue inhaler. At the…

Which would in fact be good news in a certain way, because either it's as deadly as reported and nowhere near as contagious as your last paragraph suggests, or its far more contagious and widespread but thus nowhere near as deadly as is being seen from case fatality rates derived from known cases. I'm not stating anything new with this really, but your case is likely one of many, many others in which a person felt mysterious illness symptoms for days or weeks and never was registered as a positive case through any testing procedure. This is not to even mention all possible asymptomatic cases. I'm sure many COVID-ralted deaths are also under-reported bit I strongly doubt the level of inaccuracy is nearly the same as that of cases being under-reported.

Re: Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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I'm also in CO and had COVID-19 like symptoms about a month ago (fever and GI issues without any other major symptoms for a week progressing into a dry cough/heavy breathing -- completely unlike any other flu I've had). I never got tested due to lack of test kits here in CO at the time and because my symptoms stayed manageable I never saw a health care provider beyond a virtual meeting to get a rescue inhaler. At the…

It's a small rural county and they haven't finished processing the tests and it's a couple weeks old at this point and maybe it isn't reliable and so on, but San Miguel County didn't have a lot of people test positive in the 1600 blood tests they have results for.

https://www.sanmiguelcountyco.gov/590/Coronavirus

(the blood test should find people that have recovered from the infection)

Re: Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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I hate to say it, but I’m actually jealous of people who have gone through and recovered from COVID-19. You can enter normal life again, you don’t need to have the fear, the rest of us are simply waiting because the chances of us getting it at some point is very high. I actually wonder if some controlled exposure might be a good thing, I can get it and (statistically) recover from it at a place away from my family, a…

> I hate to say it, but I’m actually jealous of people who have gone through and recovered from COVID-19. You can enter normal life again, you don’t need to have the fear, the rest of us are simply waiting because the chances of us getting it at some point is very high.

Even if you have antibodies it's not going to be normal a life. There will still be social distancing expected and enforced, capacity limits at stores, many businesses closed, and you still need to exercise caution to not spread it unnecessarily just like everyone else.

Re: Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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But for those of us with Covid-19, the full force of modern social technologies that enable cooperation, communication and specialization among billions of humans around the world has been applied and come up snake eyes. For the record, I don't think this is an accurate representation of the situation. The world has done a remarkable job of coming up with ventilators, masks and new practices on the fly in the face of…

As a matter of caution, I always keep psychostimulants handy. Particularly: ephedrine, pseudoephedrine, and amphetamine salts. Also keep some other beta receptor agonists, like Ventolin. You never know when it can save your life.

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Re: Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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So he claims that he got it despite practicing all the social distancing protocols, hand-washing, etc. Has anyone calculated what are the probabilities of infection in an area with an active infection cluster while practicing social-distancing and other hygiene measures?

I don’t know but I’ve become aware of just how difficult it is to remain pristine. Touch a door handle? After that did you touch your phone, keys or wallet at the store? Did you touch your car door handle? When you washed your hands, did you disinfect the faucet handle and soap dispenser after? It’s always a game of percentages even when you’re careful.

This would be an awesome opportunity for AR-based training.

Imagine being able to "see" the simulated virus in the air and on surfaces. See it spread due to airflow and gravity, see it diminish over time due to sunlight, surface cleaning, etc.

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