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Wildlife is reclaiming Yosemite National Park

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Re: Wildlife is reclaiming Yosemite National Park

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

option wrote: post #16
spking wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Me too. This is the reason I absolutely don't want to see airlines or airframe manufacturers bailed out. That industry needs to shrink. If that means fewer flights available and higher prices in the future, that's a net positive for the planet as people will have to be more selective about travel. https://www.biologicaldiversity.org/programs/climate_law_ins...

MAD, globalization and ease of travel is why WW3 is not happening. Be careful what you wish for. Scaling back civilization is not the solution. Technological progress and smart regulations are.

I agree about globalization, but Climate Change is just as likely to cause the type of instability that could lead to a WW3. It will certainly lead to massive suffering regardless.

Until we have carbon-free or at least greatly-carbon-reduced air travel, we need to cut back on it.

Re: Wildlife is reclaiming Yosemite National Park

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Post by MadSudaca »

sharkweek wrote: post #7

I sometimes wonder if the earth is trying to remove us, its own infection of sorts. If memory serves this was also the plot of some terrible M Night Shyamalan movie.

Nature has been trying to remove us since the very beginning. The process of preventing our removal is called surviving, we've been at it for as long as we can remember.

Re: Wildlife is reclaiming Yosemite National Park

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Post by enchiridion »

option wrote: post #16
spking wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Me too. This is the reason I absolutely don't want to see airlines or airframe manufacturers bailed out. That industry needs to shrink. If that means fewer flights available and higher prices in the future, that's a net positive for the planet as people will have to be more selective about travel. https://www.biologicaldiversity.org/programs/climate_law_ins...

MAD, globalization and ease of travel is why WW3 is not happening. Be careful what you wish for. Scaling back civilization is not the solution. Technological progress and smart regulations are.

I'm pretty sure MAD is enough.

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Post by staticautomatic »

option wrote: post #16
spking wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Me too. This is the reason I absolutely don't want to see airlines or airframe manufacturers bailed out. That industry needs to shrink. If that means fewer flights available and higher prices in the future, that's a net positive for the planet as people will have to be more selective about travel. https://www.biologicaldiversity.org/programs/climate_law_ins...

MAD, globalization and ease of travel is why WW3 is not happening. Be careful what you wish for. Scaling back civilization is not the solution. Technological progress and smart regulations are.

I had no idea Thomas Friedman was a HN member!

Re: Wildlife is reclaiming Yosemite National Park

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Post by s5300 »

spking wrote: post #14
0xB31B1B wrote: post #10

I hope this inspires our generation. I hope we remember that the way things were recently aren’t they way have to be, or the way things naturally are. We need more pollution controls, clean power, and less driving. I also think we need to reduce how many people visit certain places as the harsh reality is that impact is clearly related to visits. It will mean a shared sacrifice but a healthier planet. Hopefully limit…

Me too. This is the reason I absolutely don't want to see airlines or airframe manufacturers bailed out. That industry needs to shrink. If that means fewer flights available and higher prices in the future, that's a net positive for the planet as people will have to be more selective about travel. https://www.biologicaldiversity.org/programs/climate_law_ins...

"If that means fewer flights available and higher prices in the future, that's a net positive for the planet as people will have to be more selective about travel."

I've lurked near daily on HN for over five years - and this is the unfortunate comment I finally feel the need to make an account to reply to.

I presume you're living in the U.S. based on your comment.

I too live in the U.S., with severely debilitating health issues. I've been chronically ill for over half of my life now, and only just recently could I legally consume alcohol.

I'm in the MidWest, and have to somewhat regularly fly to California and Massachusetts for medical treatment. I have no parents, and haven't throughout the duration of my illness. I receive no government assistance financially, because our medical system is shit on recognition of many musculoskeletal illnesses. My insurance is also shit in general, because medical care availability is shit in the U.S.

Anyways, I'm practically only alive/still somewhat sentient because of availability of cheaper airline tickets to get to my care.

Don't advocate for making accessibility even more expensive unless you're going to also make sure that people like me (which there's a surprising fuckload of) don't have to rely on it.

Check your privilege, or something like that. Or maybe I should, and just let my body die ^__^

Re: Wildlife is reclaiming Yosemite National Park

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Post by devmunchies »

option wrote: post #16
spking wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Me too. This is the reason I absolutely don't want to see airlines or airframe manufacturers bailed out. That industry needs to shrink. If that means fewer flights available and higher prices in the future, that's a net positive for the planet as people will have to be more selective about travel. https://www.biologicaldiversity.org/programs/climate_law_ins...

MAD, globalization and ease of travel is why WW3 is not happening. Be careful what you wish for. Scaling back civilization is not the solution. Technological progress and smart regulations are.

> Scaling back civilization is not the solution. Technological progress and smart regulations are.

Scaling back tech is definitely a solution. Especially a modern spin on "older" tech (e.g. bullet trains, passive solar heating). You speak so matter-of-factly yet there's no evidence that more "progress" is the solution, when there is no way to be sure (its a gamble), whereas its a fact that scaling back our reliance on more tech is a known solution.

Re: Wildlife is reclaiming Yosemite National Park

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Post by evanlivingston »

option wrote: post #16
spking wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Me too. This is the reason I absolutely don't want to see airlines or airframe manufacturers bailed out. That industry needs to shrink. If that means fewer flights available and higher prices in the future, that's a net positive for the planet as people will have to be more selective about travel. https://www.biologicaldiversity.org/programs/climate_law_ins...

MAD, globalization and ease of travel is why WW3 is not happening. Be careful what you wish for. Scaling back civilization is not the solution. Technological progress and smart regulations are.

Citation(s) needed.

Re: Wildlife is reclaiming Yosemite National Park

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Post by erikig »

izzydata wrote: post #24

It's nice to know that the earth starts to heal so quickly after humans are gone. Although by the time we are actually gone we might make it uninhabitable for other life too.

Philosophical question: if humans are gone, does it really matter what happens to the earth?
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