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Re: What Apple hopes you didn't notice about iPad2

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Post by achompas »

thenduks wrote: post #5

Does anyone care about any of these points? Wires? Yea, we still need wires for some things. Apple doesn't do stuff that's not going to be a good experience. Memory? ...don't know, don't care how much memory is in my original iPad - I only care that it performs well - and it does. Screen resolution? Don't know what rumors they were following, but it's completely impractical today to put a retina display on an iPad-si…

Some additional points:

On storage: But given the standard pace of technological improvement, one would expect a 128-gigabyte hard drive by now.

Has this person not followed Apple before? The same company that has not bumped the entry level iPod touch from 8GB since it was introduced in 2007? No one cares, because the entry iPod touch still sells like hotcakes to kids who use their touch for gaming.

On screen resolution: meaning the iPad 2 is already lagging behind the iPhone 4, with its much-touted retina display.

The next best tablet screen on the market (Xoom's 10.1") is 1280x800. That's only 17 ppi more than the iPad. Why would Apple push its tablet to 300+ ppi and decrease their margins when no one else has gone that far?

Re: What Apple hopes you didn't notice about iPad2

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Post by r00fus »

masklinn wrote: post #15
thenduks wrote: post #5

Does anyone care about any of these points? Wires? Yea, we still need wires for some things. Apple doesn't do stuff that's not going to be a good experience. Memory? ...don't know, don't care how much memory is in my original iPad - I only care that it performs well - and it does. Screen resolution? Don't know what rumors they were following, but it's completely impractical today to put a retina display on an iPad-si…

> Wires? Yea, we still need wires for some things. Apple doesn't do stuff that's not going to be a good experience. Having to plug crap in and out is not a very good experience though. In fact, Apple seems to agree. See AirDrop in Lion. > Memory? ...don't know, don't care how much memory is in my original iPad - I only care that it performs well - and it does. Disagreement, Safari is a pain to use on more than two di…

> Having to plug crap in and out is not a very good experience though.

I was thinking the same way you were until a year ago when I spoke to a colleague who has a Droid that got an OTA upgrade to Froyo (2.2)... what a clusterf*ck... he lost battery during the event, it torched his device, and he couldn't even re-flash the firmware, he had to take it into the Verizon store, where they simply replaced it.

All the settings and hacks he put it? Wiped. (Backup is optional in Android... my colleague hadn't done it).

This made me understand why Apple is so old-school when it comes to iPod/iPad sync and upgrades. It's not just the wireless bandwidth, it's about avoiding disastrous edge-cases that ruin customer experience.

A wired sync or upgrade can guarantee backups, power availability and reasonable bandwidth.

Re: What Apple hopes you didn't notice about iPad2

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Post by masklinn »

r00fus wrote: post #22
masklinn wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Wires? Yea, we still need wires for some things. Apple doesn't do stuff that's not going to be a good experience. Having to plug crap in and out is not a very good experience though. In fact, Apple seems to agree. See AirDrop in Lion. > Memory? ...don't know, don't care how much memory is in my original iPad - I only care that it performs well - and it does. Disagreement, Safari is a pain to use on more than two di…

> Having to plug crap in and out is not a very good experience though. I was thinking the same way you were until a year ago when I spoke to a colleague who has a Droid that got an OTA upgrade to Froyo (2.2)... what a clusterf*ck... he lost battery during the event, it torched his device, and he couldn't even re-flash the firmware, he had to take it into the Verizon store, where they simply replaced it. All the setti…

I'm not saying doing everything wireless is ideal, and updating your firmware is one of those things I believe are OK wired, I generally want my machine to be plugged in when I update the OS or firmware.

But syncing your contacts, your browser favorites or some music should not require that the phone be plugged into the computer. That's just annoying.

Re: What Apple hopes you didn't notice about iPad2

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Post by thenduks »

Kylekramer wrote: post #6
thenduks wrote: post #5

Does anyone care about any of these points? Wires? Yea, we still need wires for some things. Apple doesn't do stuff that's not going to be a good experience. Memory? ...don't know, don't care how much memory is in my original iPad - I only care that it performs well - and it does. Screen resolution? Don't know what rumors they were following, but it's completely impractical today to put a retina display on an iPad-si…

Are you saying that connecting a device to a computer to sync is a better experience than automatically syncing OTA? And you like tabs reloading if you leave the page? Nitpicks are important. Good enough is the enemy of excellence.

I'm saying that when they can make those things a good experience, they do. They add memory when they can get it in sufficient supply and it doesn't increase the price too much. They add OTA such-and-such as they have appropriate methods of doing it that don't negatively affect the customer.

Copy/paste is a great example. They didn't have a decent implementation, so they just sat on it and released it when it was ready. I think, when it comes to consumer electronics, this is exactly the right approach.

Re: What Apple hopes you didn't notice about iPad2

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Post by thenduks »

achompas wrote: post #21
thenduks wrote: post #5

Does anyone care about any of these points? Wires? Yea, we still need wires for some things. Apple doesn't do stuff that's not going to be a good experience. Memory? ...don't know, don't care how much memory is in my original iPad - I only care that it performs well - and it does. Screen resolution? Don't know what rumors they were following, but it's completely impractical today to put a retina display on an iPad-si…

Some additional points: On storage: But given the standard pace of technological improvement, one would expect a 128-gigabyte hard drive by now. Has this person not followed Apple before? The same company that has not bumped the entry level iPod touch from 8GB since it was introduced in 2007? No one cares, because the entry iPod touch still sells like hotcakes to kids who use their touch for gaming. On screen resolut…

Agreed. And on the resolution point, as mentioned several times by daringfireball[1] and others, the only way Apple will up the density is if it's doubled. Why? Because it's the only thing that makes sense. Less than double = terrible scaling or forcing apps to supply apps with yet another resolution in mind.

[1]: http://daringfireball.net/2011/01/cold_water_ipad_retina_dis...

Re: What Apple hopes you didn't notice about iPad2

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Post by thenduks »

albedoa wrote: post #19
thenduks wrote: post #5

Does anyone care about any of these points? Wires? Yea, we still need wires for some things. Apple doesn't do stuff that's not going to be a good experience. Memory? ...don't know, don't care how much memory is in my original iPad - I only care that it performs well - and it does. Screen resolution? Don't know what rumors they were following, but it's completely impractical today to put a retina display on an iPad-si…

Agree with the above points, especially the memory. You might think the memory is adequate until you have more of it, but once you do, you will wonder how you lived with less. That is what happened when I upgraded from my iPhone 3G to my iPhone 4. Months later, I'm still getting over the difference.

Of course. I definitely agree memory is good. All I'm trying to say is that Apple's typical consumer customer doesn't care about the numbers. They need enough memory to have a good experience, Apple attempts to supply that experience without sacrificing other areas (such as price, battery life, or availability).

Re: What Apple hopes you didn't notice about iPad2

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Post by tomjen3 »

albedoa wrote: post #20
tomjen3 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay, it has less ram than the Galaxy tab. And honestly, the iPad 2 hasn't shipped yet.

Good catch! They should have shipped the iPad 2 first and announced it later. The article didn't once mention the Galaxy Tab. You missed the parent's point.

I pointed out that his facts was wrong. I don't care about his point.

Re: What Apple hopes you didn't notice about iPad2

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Post by joebadmo »

r00fus wrote: post #22
masklinn wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Wires? Yea, we still need wires for some things. Apple doesn't do stuff that's not going to be a good experience. Having to plug crap in and out is not a very good experience though. In fact, Apple seems to agree. See AirDrop in Lion. > Memory? ...don't know, don't care how much memory is in my original iPad - I only care that it performs well - and it does. Disagreement, Safari is a pain to use on more than two di…

> Having to plug crap in and out is not a very good experience though. I was thinking the same way you were until a year ago when I spoke to a colleague who has a Droid that got an OTA upgrade to Froyo (2.2)... what a clusterf*ck... he lost battery during the event, it torched his device, and he couldn't even re-flash the firmware, he had to take it into the Verizon store, where they simply replaced it. All the setti…

Wired sync isn't exactly a great experience with iOS, either. iTunes db different from your iPod's? Get ready for some work.

Re: What Apple hopes you didn't notice about iPad2

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Post by albedoa »

tomjen3 wrote: post #27
albedoa wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good catch! They should have shipped the iPad 2 first and announced it later. The article didn't once mention the Galaxy Tab. You missed the parent's point.

I pointed out that his facts was wrong. I don't care about his point.

Then I think you responded to the wrong post because your reply talks to neither his facts nor his point.

Re: What Apple hopes you didn't notice about iPad2

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Post by DjDarkman »

The funniest thing is that Jobs said that the processor is dual core, and that it's 2x faster. Now this seems to imply that 2x cores = 2x faster, which is absurd, if they didn't increase the clock speed there is no way they could get a definite 2x speed up.

The problem with multiply cores is that they have to access memory among other shared resources which really hurts when one core blocks out the other one. Modern operating systems try to be smart about multiply cores, but still twice the core count does not mean twice the speed.

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