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What do you mean it made you feel brain dead?
Methotrexate (Sarcoidosis) here, not hydroxychloroquine, both are DMARDs. "Brain fog" is a more commonly used term, although no doubt people experience different things and would describe them differently. For me, it's a weird feeling of vagueness, and to what extent varies significantly. Sometimes it's hard to focus and do work, but not always. Usually it's just like everything is sort of "passing me by". You wouldn…
Fatal toxicity of chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine with metformin in mice [pdf]
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I mean specifically with regards to treating covid-19, not for other purposes. Sorry if that wasn’t clear. I didn’t say there’s a study that says hydroxychloroquine combined with arithromycin is an ineffective combination, but that unless there’s a scientific reason to assume something will increase the effectiveness of such a possibly lethal drug without exacerbating its negative side effects then there is no reason…
Can you cite it not working for covid-19 in vivo? From what I've found there are early stage trials showing success, plus a few larger anecdotal populations showing bigger success, but nothing that scientifically definitively concludes either way.
[0]: https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/chloroquine-and-hydroxychloroq...
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Can you cite it not working for covid-19 in vivo? From what I've found there are early stage trials showing success, plus a few larger anecdotal populations showing bigger success, but nothing that scientifically definitively concludes either way.
Yes, there simply hasn’t been enough time for proper studies to have been made one way or the other [0]. The only “study” showing in vivo efficacy is pretty much a bunch of bunk and has huge issues. It did not report on actual treatment outcomes but only on nasal swab results without a control arm, never mind that covid-19 has been demonstrated to move from upper respiratory down into the lungs in most cases that pro…
Also you do a lot of work to make it sound like a foregone conclusion it doesn’t work (appeals to authority in “anyone paying attention”).
The problem is there is now a lot of anecdotal evidence of it working from good sources (teams of doctors on frontlines from around the world). So really you can’t appeal to anyone paying attention.
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
Methotrexate (Sarcoidosis) here, not hydroxychloroquine, both are DMARDs. "Brain fog" is a more commonly used term, although no doubt people experience different things and would describe them differently. For me, it's a weird feeling of vagueness, and to what extent varies significantly. Sometimes it's hard to focus and do work, but not always. Usually it's just like everything is sort of "passing me by". You wouldn…
interesting. do they know why it's happening ?
EDIT: I should probably note that stopping cell division isn't the primary mechanism by which Methotrexate treats Sarcoidosis. You basically take Methotrexate then 24+ hours later counteract it with folic acid. They actually don't know how it works!
In my case it probably doesn't help that "brain fog" is also a side effect of Sarcoidosis itself; I mean that's obviously pretty minor in comparison to the fact if left unchecked it'd destroy my lungs.
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Yes, there simply hasn’t been enough time for proper studies to have been made one way or the other [0]. The only “study” showing in vivo efficacy is pretty much a bunch of bunk and has huge issues. It did not report on actual treatment outcomes but only on nasal swab results without a control arm, never mind that covid-19 has been demonstrated to move from upper respiratory down into the lungs in most cases that pro…
That means your claim that it “only works in vitro” is false, though. The right claim would be “we don’t know yet”. Also you do a lot of work to make it sound like a foregone conclusion it doesn’t work (appeals to authority in “anyone paying attention”). The problem is there is now a lot of anecdotal evidence of it working from good sources (teams of doctors on frontlines from around the world). So really you can’t a…
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#27So much effort is going in to the propaganda war against Hydroxychloroquine, it's really terrifying to watch.
Maybe just read the introduction instead of writting this kind of complotist nonsense? I know that's not the first thing to read in a usual, well-written scientific paper, but there is a lot of papers about covid19 everyday and clinical papers are weird anyway.
HCQ enters trial testing and if we can reduce the number of trial death due to wrong medicamental interactions, it will probably boost the survival of tested people using HCQ, so even if a conspiracy exist, you should be happy that paper like this exist, no?
A thing i saw that works against a conspiracy against HCQ is that on french and US website, everyone is talking about HCQ, well or not, but a lot of other, poorer countries put their hope on interferon (as i do: i take chlorphetamine and other antihistamin drugs that can cause tachycardia especially in spring/summer, and i have arythmia => i'd like to avoid another drug with heart-related secondary effect, my kidney and may spleen are in perfect condition, i'd rather ruin them)
If i couldn't read spanish, i wouldn't even know about interferon tbh, it's much more promising that HCQ: like HCQ it works in vitro against HIV, but unlike CA that agravate AIDS, interferon works in vivo too. Here an AFP article about interferon and sras-cov2 (spanish, works with google translate: https://factual.afp.com/el-antiviral-cubano-interferon-alfa-...)
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#28I don’t see how any of this is coming as a surprise to anyone, or even why people are bothering (questionable science behind the choloroquine paper aside, even). This is a comment I posted to HN three weeks ago, when I was pretty sure (but unfortunately wrong!) that the suggested chloroquine dosage for purportedly treating covid-19 was being reported in the wrong units because it was so high, using only the informati…
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#29I don’t see how any of this is coming as a surprise to anyone, or even why people are bothering (questionable science behind the choloroquine paper aside, even). This is a comment I posted to HN three weeks ago, when I was pretty sure (but unfortunately wrong!) that the suggested chloroquine dosage for purportedly treating covid-19 was being reported in the wrong units because it was so high, using only the informati…
The half lives of these medications are very long, 30+ days I believe. This makes a large dose for a short number of days more reasonable than at first glance.
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#30That's really bad news for diabetic mice that have contracted the COVID-19... As far as humans are concerned - who knows...
Original article: https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/carl-40-fick-kramp-och-syn-...
I expect this will appear in international media soon, if it's true. Note that I don't speak Swedish and I used an online translating tool to read the article.