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Russia has halted all flights into and out of the country

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Re: Russia has halted all flights into and out of the country

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Post by gambiting »

krasin wrote: post #19
gambiting wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any idea why that is? Length of travel? Cost of travel? I'm a Pole living abroad and every year I try to go to visit my family for Easter, it seems like a pretty normal thing to do.

Thank you for sharing that! It's amazing that this tradition exists in Poland. Do Poles come to see family for New Year / Christmas? Oh, and by the way: Russia has state holidays from Jan 1st till Jan 10th (+/-, every year is slightly different), which makes it a lot easier to meet everyone. Easter does not have any state recognition in Russia, so everyone would be quite busy with their regular errands, I guess.

Yeah, we go home for Christmas too. So per year I'll usually go for Christmas and for Easter. Maybe if the year is really good we'll try to visit at the end of summer too.

Re: Russia has halted all flights into and out of the country

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

jessaustin wrote: post #20
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not, but do you have some concrete plan for when the polls should have been rescheduled to? A democratic country can't indefinitely postpone elections, no matter what the costs of holding them are.

Let's start with two months. It seems quite possible that we'll have a better idea what's going on by June. A number of important events that affect my community have been postponed until at least then. In June, we can ask the public health experts whether we can start ramping back up with big public events, including elections. I wish all the democracy superfans would show some consistency and demand all-paper-ballo…

I'm in favor of paper ballots too! But surely you see why it's more concerning to say "alright, elections are cancelled, and we won't hold an election again until unaccountable public health experts make a subjective judgment that it's safe". What would happen if they don't?

Re: Russia has halted all flights into and out of the country

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Post by shartshooter »

gambiting wrote: post #14
LatteLazy wrote: post #4

Lots of countries have. I was on one of the last flights to transit through Taiwan. Here in the UK, the government have been talking about a program to get brits back from Australia because many of the places you have to stop and refuel are closed even to transiting passengers. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/coronavirus-travel-re... https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/australia/return-to...

Weirdly enough, I had a quick look at Heathrow arrivals and departures, and there's still loads of flights leaving every 10 minutes, to all kinds of destinations. Multiple flights per day to Rome - I guess if you absolutely, positively have to be in Italy right now! In comparison, my local airport in North of England had a single flight the entire day.

My understanding is that if airlines stop running flights they may lose their access to a given airport or terminal. So they run flights even if they aren't full or in major demand.

Re: Russia has halted all flights into and out of the country

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Post by lolc »

Is it reasonable to assume, at this point, that international travel is still a relevant contributor to the spread of the virus? Apart from reducing travel overall, I don't see how the ban could have an impact once the virus is distributed. Especially since domestic flights seem to continue.

Initially, yes. It could have changed things. But this action now feels way too late. Like two months late. It feels like a nationalistic rally of blaming others for the spread.

Re: Russia has halted all flights into and out of the country

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Post by vkou »

gambiting wrote: post #16
krasin wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am a Russian living abroad. I know literally no one coming back to Russia for Easter. It's the first time I even heard of this idea. Summer or New Year are the times when Russians are more likely to go to visit their relatives and friends.

Do you have any idea why that is? Length of travel? Cost of travel? I'm a Pole living abroad and every year I try to go to visit my family for Easter, it seems like a pretty normal thing to do.

Orthodox Christianity is not a big thing among the current generation of Russian diaspora, so Easter doesn't have any cultural significance to most of them.

Summer is a good time to visit because of the mild climate, and New Years', because it has always been a big holiday, culturally.

Re: Russia has halted all flights into and out of the country

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Post by gambiting »

shartshooter wrote: post #23
gambiting wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weirdly enough, I had a quick look at Heathrow arrivals and departures, and there's still loads of flights leaving every 10 minutes, to all kinds of destinations. Multiple flights per day to Rome - I guess if you absolutely, positively have to be in Italy right now! In comparison, my local airport in North of England had a single flight the entire day.

My understanding is that if airlines stop running flights they may lose their access to a given airport or terminal. So they run flights even if they aren't full or in major demand.

I'm pretty sure that rule got temporarily banned in....EU. Oops. No idea how it affected the UK.

Re: Russia has halted all flights into and out of the country

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Post by lower »

shartshooter wrote: post #23
gambiting wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weirdly enough, I had a quick look at Heathrow arrivals and departures, and there's still loads of flights leaving every 10 minutes, to all kinds of destinations. Multiple flights per day to Rome - I guess if you absolutely, positively have to be in Italy right now! In comparison, my local airport in North of England had a single flight the entire day.

My understanding is that if airlines stop running flights they may lose their access to a given airport or terminal. So they run flights even if they aren't full or in major demand.

> My understanding is that if airlines stop running flights they may lose their access to a given airport or terminal.

This used to be the case, but the relevant rule has now been suspended.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/aviation/news/eu-council-jo...

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Post by jessaustin »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #22
jessaustin wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's start with two months. It seems quite possible that we'll have a better idea what's going on by June. A number of important events that affect my community have been postponed until at least then. In June, we can ask the public health experts whether we can start ramping back up with big public events, including elections. I wish all the democracy superfans would show some consistency and demand all-paper-ballo…

I'm in favor of paper ballots too! But surely you see why it's more concerning to say "alright, elections are cancelled, and we won't hold an election again until unaccountable public health experts make a subjective judgment that it's safe". What would happen if they don't?

I'm not sure what would happen... The people can't really do much marching now, can we? If we were to march in these perilous times, we wouldn't waste it on Hidin' Joe Biden. Anyway, elections as currently practiced are more important to TPTB than to the people. The show must go on.

Re: Russia has halted all flights into and out of the country

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Post by opless »

gambiting wrote: post #14
LatteLazy wrote: post #4

Lots of countries have. I was on one of the last flights to transit through Taiwan. Here in the UK, the government have been talking about a program to get brits back from Australia because many of the places you have to stop and refuel are closed even to transiting passengers. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/coronavirus-travel-re... https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/australia/return-to...

Weirdly enough, I had a quick look at Heathrow arrivals and departures, and there's still loads of flights leaving every 10 minutes, to all kinds of destinations. Multiple flights per day to Rome - I guess if you absolutely, positively have to be in Italy right now! In comparison, my local airport in North of England had a single flight the entire day.

Right now the only aircraft over London are police helicopters.

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Re: Russia has halted all flights into and out of the country

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Post by lern_too_spel »

jessaustin wrote: post #7
sambull wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazing, in the same paragraph, acquiescence of power to a foreign state and a plea to end democracy.

"Democracy"? Is that what we're talking about? Read the transcript: "We're gonna, you know, choose our standard bearer, and we're gonna follow these general rules of the road, which we are voluntarily deciding, we could have -- and we could have voluntarily decided that, Look, we're gonna go into back rooms like they used to and smoke cigars and pick the candidate that way. That's not the way it was done. But they co…

You need to work on your reading comprehension. That is an argument for why the plaintiffs don't have standing. That is not a description of what the defendants had done or even what the defendants wanted to do.

Your poor comprehension has turned you into a conspiracy theorist.

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