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Efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in patients with Covid-19: a randomized trial

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Re: Efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in patients with Covid-19: a randomized trial

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Post by scribu »

Recurecur wrote: post #14
davidw wrote: post #12

Seems relevant: https://twitter.com/SquawkCNBC/status/1245669685267439616 Not sure they've been doing proper studies and such because they're so slammed, but it seems they've been trying it in Italy and... maybe it helps some, but doesn't seem like it works miracles.

In combination with antibiotics and (it seems) zinc it looks quite effective. A doctor in NY has treated with that combination and is up to almost 700 COVID-19 patients without one dying _or needing a ventilator_. Some relevant quotes: >Dr. Zelenko said the whole treatment costs only $20 over a period of 5 days with 100% success. He defines success as “Not to die.” Dr. Zelenko first posted his Facebook video message…

Edit: Thanks for linking to the source

Snopes has more details of side-effects etc: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/zelenko-669-coronavirus-pa...

Re: Efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in patients with Covid-19: a randomized trial

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Post by dogma1138 »

_red wrote: post #16
D13Fd wrote: post #11

I wish the current U.S. administration hadn't tried to turn this into a partisan issue.

Face it, HCQ is an old and cheap drug that doesn't fit Big Pharma profit visions. Its much more enticing for Big Pharma to sell new patented solutions, so they will pay their PR mouthpieces (MSM) to "be cautious" of anything that doesn't achieve that end goal.

Haven’t many big pharmas pledged to or have donated millions of doses already?

Seems a bit in odds with your claims.

Re: Efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in patients with Covid-19: a randomized trial

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Post by tangue »

I live in an island where during a viral outbreak some were advocating for chloroquine against the Chikungunya virus. The initial in-vitro tests were promising but it turns out during human trials it has a reverse effect and delayed adaptive immune responses (1). It's sad to see scientific method destroyed by politics and social networks.

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5977261/

Re: Efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in patients with Covid-19: a randomized trial

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Post by starkd »

Recurecur wrote: post #13
D13Fd wrote: post #11

I wish the current U.S. administration hadn't tried to turn this into a partisan issue.

It absolutely did not. The press did. The mainstream US media has become a one-sided partisan cheerleading squad for the Democrats, and most Americans are sick of it. We'll see how that works out in November.

Exactly. How is passing on information that had already been widely circulating among medical professionals making it partisan?

Re: Efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in patients with Covid-19: a randomized trial

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Post by aazaa »

It's worth noting that this study does not include azithromycin in the treatment regime, as was the case in the Raoult/French study.

The French study, problematic in the extreme but still promising, claims a large synergistic effect of using both drugs in combination.

Also, unlike the French study, this one appears to be at least controlled, but possibly not blinded.

Re: Efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in patients with Covid-19: a randomized trial

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Post by _red »

dogma1138 wrote: post #22
_red wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Face it, HCQ is an old and cheap drug that doesn't fit Big Pharma profit visions. Its much more enticing for Big Pharma to sell new patented solutions, so they will pay their PR mouthpieces (MSM) to "be cautious" of anything that doesn't achieve that end goal.

Haven’t many big pharmas pledged to or have donated millions of doses already? Seems a bit in odds with your claims.

Donate something that cost you 0.10 per pill and getting a tax write-off for $2.00 per pill. Sure, why not?

Re: Efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in patients with Covid-19: a randomized trial

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Post by ageofwant »

Recurecur wrote: post #13
D13Fd wrote: post #11

I wish the current U.S. administration hadn't tried to turn this into a partisan issue.

It absolutely did not. The press did. The mainstream US media has become a one-sided partisan cheerleading squad for the Democrats, and most Americans are sick of it. We'll see how that works out in November.

This is the one great thing about democracy: you choose exactly what you deserve.

Re: Efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in patients with Covid-19: a randomized trial

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Post by jdhn »

scribu wrote: post #21
Recurecur wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In combination with antibiotics and (it seems) zinc it looks quite effective. A doctor in NY has treated with that combination and is up to almost 700 COVID-19 patients without one dying _or needing a ventilator_. Some relevant quotes: >Dr. Zelenko said the whole treatment costs only $20 over a period of 5 days with 100% success. He defines success as “Not to die.” Dr. Zelenko first posted his Facebook video message…

Edit: Thanks for linking to the source Snopes has more details of side-effects etc: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/zelenko-669-coronavirus-pa...

Snopes has it marked as unproven, so it just means that they're waiting for more results to come in.

For anybody who's interested, here's an interview with the doctor himself: https://forward.com/news/national/442285/coronavirus-hydroxy...

Re: Efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in patients with Covid-19: a randomized trial

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Post by trothamel »

davidw wrote: post #12

Seems relevant: https://twitter.com/SquawkCNBC/status/1245669685267439616 Not sure they've been doing proper studies and such because they're so slammed, but it seems they've been trying it in Italy and... maybe it helps some, but doesn't seem like it works miracles.

In this situation, helping some might be working a miracle. If a treatment - and I have no idea if this is the one - can prevent 20% of patients from requiring a ventilator, that's the equivalent of having 20% more ventilators.
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