I think some people are just blessed with great genes and great health/immune system throughout their lives. There are stories of 100+ yos who smoke, who eat typical comfort food everyday, who drink in moderation but consistently etc etc, whose lifestyles are what we basically understand as negative for your health but they are unaffected.
There could actually be a statistical case for people who have genes for longevity who drink, smoke, etc. I don't mean that 'smoking is good for you', but that those who are going to live long, will live long no matter what their personal habits are. Thus when you look at really old people, those that drink / smoke are over-represented. They are statistical outliers of course...
Italy: 101-year-old influenza survivor beats Covid-19
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Re: Italy: 101-year-old influenza survivor beats Covid-19
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
If we are measuring survival, surviving is not a bias, it's a data point Without taking into account genes can you explain why Japan has 54 centenaries every 100k people, France 34, Italy 33 and US only 22?
Supercentenarians and the oldest-old are concentrated into regions with no birth certificates and short lifespans https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/704080v1 HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20625547
The post you linked does not look very reliable
Moreover I'm not talking about super centenaries, but basic life expectancy
People who live more in general have probably better genes, we don't care how many die if we are counting those that survive longer than average
In US life expectancy is very low for being a developed country
And we can't really say that crime rate or frauds are higher in Okinawa than in Los Angeles
Nobody would believe that
Btw, what about France?
Re: Italy: 101-year-old influenza survivor beats Covid-19
#23Surely by now we should have enough data to make some serious progress on why this virus has such wildly different effects on different people.
We don't even know why seasonal flu occasionally kills healthy people.
And we know that 90% of all Covid cases are occuring in areas in a temp zone of 37-64 degrees. Covid hates higher temperatures, as with influenza. The media refuses to report the facts: not all locations are equally susceptible. It's why NY and NJ have 50% of all US cases now. It's why the Phoenix metro of five million people, or the states of Nevada or New Mexico or Texas are not seeing the pandemic. It's why so many of Florida's cases are imported. It's why when you cross below roughly the Pennsylvania line, cases per capita plunge. It's why DC and Baltimore aren't drowning in cases, while NYC is (check out the lack of cases and hospitalizations in Delaware and Virginia). It's why the bay area, despite its near 8m population, has so few cases (which the media breathlessly touts as suddenly about to explode into the trillions - it's not going to happen). It's why Mexico, the rest of Latin America, and sub saharan Africa (as well as hot climates in Asia, including within China), are not seeing the pandemic in the numbers that were expected. It's why NYC, Milan, and Wuhan got hit so hard. It's the climates.
Re: Italy: 101-year-old influenza survivor beats Covid-19
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
There could actually be a statistical case for people who have genes for longevity who drink, smoke, etc. I don't mean that 'smoking is good for you', but that those who are going to live long, will live long no matter what their personal habits are. Thus when you look at really old people, those that drink / smoke are over-represented. They are statistical outliers of course...
That's overwhelmingly the case. Obviously there are exceptions (which is what the critics will target to try to counter the premise, they'll shoot at the 1% negative case outliers among those with genetics for long life). George Burns is the classic example - 10-15 cigars per day for 70 years, lived to 100. It doesn't make you invulnerable of course, it shifts likelihoods strongly in your favor versus the average per…
Like a coin that lands on head 5 times on a road. Nothing special about the coin. It just happens sometimes.
Re: Italy: 101-year-old influenza survivor beats Covid-19
#25surviving is one thing. to what degree was the permanent lung damage? https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/02/here-is-w...
Re: Italy: 101-year-old influenza survivor beats Covid-19
#26Surely by now we should have enough data to make some serious progress on why this virus has such wildly different effects on different people.
Some people are just from the deeper end of the gene pool than others.