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Twenty-one year old with no pre-existing conditions dies from Coronavirus

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Re: Twenty-one year old with no pre-existing conditions dies from Coronavirus

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Smoking? Vaping? From what I've heard about other cases its highly unlikely but not impossible to die from Covid-19 if otherwise young and healthy...

Occam's razor: what you've heard is simply incorrect.

Or, what we've all heard is correct, and that's why the first story of this type has only hit the news several months and over a hundred thousand confirmed cases into the pandemic.

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post #6

Smoking? Vaping? From what I've heard about other cases its highly unlikely but not impossible to die from Covid-19 if otherwise young and healthy...

Occam's razor: what you've heard is simply incorrect.

Or it's correct and this person was one of the unlucky ones. The more total people are infected, the more statistically improbable deaths we're going to see.

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I'm puzzled by the intense focus on whether someone who dies had a pre-existing condition. It's like people want to convict the person for their own death, make it look like they were irresponsible, as a denial mechanism. By blaming the person for succumbing to the virus they can fall in to the US-centric mindset of blaming people for their own disfortune, poverty, illness, accident, lack of whiteness, etc. It's real…

Reminds me of the questions people make here in mexico when someone gets murdered: was he in drugs? Was he in as bad place? Surely he was onto something? Was he showing off?

Human brains have to justify things to try to disassociate the bad events with their reality. It is difficult to accept that calamity is very close to them.

Re: Twenty-one year old with no pre-existing conditions dies from Coronavirus

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There is also that whole getting no food, no sleep, and otherwise compromising your immune system thing.

On the other hand, there is evidence that some of the patients die due to an excessive response of the immune systen: https://www.vox.com/2020/3/12/21176783/coronavirus-covid-19-...

Re: Twenty-one year old with no pre-existing conditions dies from Coronavirus

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> this so-called virus It is a virus, isn't it?

The pedant in me says technically the name of the virus "SARS-CoV-2" but lots of people are referring to the virus by the disease name of "COVID-19". Maybe that's why?

The pragmatic side of me says "Yeah, what the heck. It's clearly known"

Edit: Rereading it, the quote is directed at people who are skeptical of it's existence. So it makes sense in context.

Re: Twenty-one year old with no pre-existing conditions dies from Coronavirus

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It seems that anecdotal evidence of young people dying of COVID-19 is the trend of the moment. Not sure if it's just cheap clickbait or the goal is to make younger generations to actually care about social distancing.

The deal is that we are dealing with the power of large numbers. You can cherry-pick whatever case you want to fit your narrative. It does not mean its relevant information.

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Her aunt is the one claiming she had no pre-existing conditions. I'd like to see a statement from a medical professional and an autopsy

Yeah. No known preexisting conditions is very different from no preexisting conditions. That being said, it's certainly possible that she was just unlucky and the virus hit her harder than normal for people her age, or she caught some other bug at the same time.

Also we need to remember what the relevant pre-existing conditions here are.

I think most people are immediately thinking severe asthma, COPD, recent or current cancer treatment; and while all of those elevate your risk, they aren't the most common comorbidities.

The key co-morbidities are high blood pressure, heart disease and diabetes.

Only heart disease seems obvious - high blood pressure is almost standard, and diabetes is often managed well to the point of invisibility.

The cardiac link appears interesting. Patients who are given ECMO, a complete lung bypass alternative to ventilators, have still died after their lungs recovered.

Re: Twenty-one year old with no pre-existing conditions dies from Coronavirus

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> this so-called virus It is a virus, isn't it?

The pedant in me says technically the name of the virus "SARS-CoV-2" but lots of people are referring to the virus by the disease name of "COVID-19". Maybe that's why? The pragmatic side of me says "Yeah, what the heck. It's clearly known" Edit: Rereading it, the quote is directed at people who are skeptical of it's existence. So it makes sense in context.

Ah it's like HIV and AIDS, isn't it? SARS-CoV-2 causes COVID-19, and COVID-19 is not the virus but the disease. She's right.

Re: Twenty-one year old with no pre-existing conditions dies from Coronavirus

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post #2

Her aunt is the one claiming she had no pre-existing conditions. I'd like to see a statement from a medical professional and an autopsy

Yeah. No known preexisting conditions is very different from no preexisting conditions. That being said, it's certainly possible that she was just unlucky and the virus hit her harder than normal for people her age, or she caught some other bug at the same time.

She could have a specific mutation in her DNA that protects against other things, that somehow makes COVID-19 worse.

Like the CCR5-Delta32 mutation makes 10% of Europeans resistant to HIV (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050325234239.h...).

There are other mutations that appears to combat virus more effectively, but who's to say that there are not mutations that are beneficial for some disease, but catastrophic for others ?

Re: Twenty-one year old with no pre-existing conditions dies from Coronavirus

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It's easy to find an article like this very frightening, if you're young and healthy and have been thinking there's thus no chance you'll die of COVID-19 if (more likely when, tbh) you get it. I already have it, so I totally understand that.

But this is the first time we know of that anyone young and healthy has died of the disease, and we're over a hundred thousand confirmed cases in. Even assuming the current understanding is accurate, and this person didn't have some undiagnosed comorbidity, that's on the order of a .001% chance of dying.

For a pandemic disease, those are very good odds.

Yes, it's frightening, and in frightening times. But it's important to keep a sense of perspective. After all, stressing out over this can only weaken your defenses.

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