OM: "My web without Facebook Connect" • Hacker News Board

Re: OM: "My web without Facebook Connect"

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Post by daeken » Sat, Feb 26, 2011, 7:23 PM UTC

joe_the_user wrote: post #16

neutronicus wrote: post #7

I won't use any service that require FB Connect.

Double plus agree... I can't imagine what service that require FB Connect are thinking...

I've started a dating site, and we're launching solely with FB Connect support, with no plans to support alternatives in the near future. Why? Because the data we get from the social graph makes our product better in many ways without the user having to duplicate efforts. We get their interests, their friends interests, their checkins, etc without the user having to put any of that explicitly into our site.

This allows us to give a vastly better experience to our userbase, while losing effectively nothing -- our demo is non-techy 21-35 singles, meaning 95%+ Facebook users.

Edit: To clarify, I mean that no less than 95% of our demographic is already using Facebook.

Re: OM: "My web without Facebook Connect"

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Post by JonnieCache » Sat, Feb 26, 2011, 7:25 PM UTC

PidGin128 wrote: post #20

JonnieCache wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. For this exact reason. I trust facebook about as much as I trust any other massive, sinister advertising company. I am already subject to lockin purely because of the social networking aspect - all my friends use it. Why would I want to lock myself in further voluntarily? And before anyone points out that google is also a massive sinister advertising company, they have shown their commitment to data portability…

https://www.facebook.com/download I myself was surprised when I found it.

It's not enough of the data. It's not in a machine readable format. It's not so much a concession as an insult.

Re: OM: "My web without Facebook Connect"

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Post by patrickaljord » Sat, Feb 26, 2011, 8:48 PM UTC

PidGin128 wrote: post #20

JonnieCache wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. For this exact reason. I trust facebook about as much as I trust any other massive, sinister advertising company. I am already subject to lockin purely because of the social networking aspect - all my friends use it. Why would I want to lock myself in further voluntarily? And before anyone points out that google is also a massive sinister advertising company, they have shown their commitment to data portability…

https://www.facebook.com/download I myself was surprised when I found it.

It gives your friends in plain text, no facebook id, no email to identify them. Simply useless.

Re: OM: "My web without Facebook Connect"

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Post by joe_the_user » Sat, Feb 26, 2011, 10:06 PM UTC

daeken wrote: post #21

joe_the_user wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Double plus agree... I can't imagine what service that require FB Connect are thinking...

I've started a dating site, and we're launching solely with FB Connect support, with no plans to support alternatives in the near future. Why? Because the data we get from the social graph makes our product better in many ways without the user having to duplicate efforts. We get their interests, their friends interests, their checkins, etc without the user having to put any of that explicitly into our site. This allo…

I assume you would succeed if your target audience is willing to accept that you will be filtering information that they've given to someone else for reasons other than dating (at least it's better than the "dating site" that scraped Facebook for prospects).

It's possible. I would guess that people would be willing to take this "deal" if they believed that they'd be guaranteed that others also have to take your deal. However, aside from a person's desire to present themselves as they choose rather than as you choose, the problem might that some would create Facebook accounts only for dating and thus control their presentation better than the average person who wouldn't bother. But perhaps your users wouldn't consider such deviousness (and don't tell me you'd filter those people out - the account themselves could perfectly real, just accounts only created for a purpose).

Personally, I wouldn't accept this since I want to control how I'm represented. I don't fully trust Facebook but I might trust them with something things. I don't trust you but I might trust you with some other things. Giving you and those like-you my FB information means that I'd have to suddenly start putting unlimited in both FB and you. Maybe some people are OK with unlimited trust and "openness". I doubt there will be increase in such people over time - I could be wrong.