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UK government to pay up to 80% of wages for employees not working

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Re: UK government to pay up to 80% of wages for employees not working

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post #2

It's bold move, but necessary to stop people going into work. The tubes here in London were still packed a few days ago, because low wage earners still need to travel in to earn and put food on the table.

I can't see how it touches low wage earners. In reality most of chippies & corner shops pay most with cash + minimal wage. For them - nothing changes.

It does work pretty good though for city workers - managers, devs, etc

Re: UK government to pay up to 80% of wages for employees not working

#22
post #7

I do wonder if it would be easier and cheaper to bite the bullet and move to a universal basic income. This situation cold be going on for years.

You need a UBI on a level that allows people to live. That’s a lot of money. Better to extend unemployment benefits for a limited time.

This is 80% of pre-existing wages!

And, even though it's an employer subsidy, this is more beneficial in the long run if the economy recovers, because employers don't have to go through the fire/hire destruction and deadweight loss.

Re: UK government to pay up to 80% of wages for employees not working

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Has anyone calculated the value of life that we are saving here?

The Imperial College report had 510,000 dying in the UK under a no-action scenario. Average age lets say 79 as the virus progresses.

510,000 * (82.5-79) * GBP 30,000 (QALY for the NHS) = 53.5 billion pounds based on the funding methodology used for the NHS.

Instead the Uk seems to be willing to throw its entire GDP at this problem, 3 trillion pounds. This seems... completely unjustified.

How can we justify this sort of effort for Coronavirus, but not Climate Change, Obesity, Air Pollution, which will kill many more than COVID-19? Is it just because Coronavirus does it spectacularly in 3 months and all of those other things take decades?

Re: UK government to pay up to 80% of wages for employees not working

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post #16

And people keep saying that basic income is impossible. This is an astonishing U-turn, and a very welcome one. I just hope the social distancing isn't too late.

You understand this only helps in the short term right? Yeah we'll live, we'll also be poorer than ever at the end of this, and someone's gonna have to pay back this debt.

Re: UK government to pay up to 80% of wages for employees not working

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post #17

So, with all these people not working... when do our supplies start to run out? I mean, the stores are getting replenished now; but what happens when the supply chain dries up for a period of time? Will we be able to boot-strap the supply chain to keep the economies of the world rolling?

The amount of labor necessary to keep people alive and infrastructure from crumbling is a small portion of all the work that is done.

Re: UK government to pay up to 80% of wages for employees not working

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post #16

And people keep saying that basic income is impossible. This is an astonishing U-turn, and a very welcome one. I just hope the social distancing isn't too late.

Regardless of the merits or demerits of UBI, this is not really a time to study it. The economy has been stopped by the government with the expectation that the government will lift sanctions in the future. That is not an everyday condition at all.

Re: UK government to pay up to 80% of wages for employees not working

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post #16

And people keep saying that basic income is impossible. This is an astonishing U-turn, and a very welcome one. I just hope the social distancing isn't too late.

> And people keep saying that basic income is impossible.

It's not impossible, but Americans voted against it overwhelmingly less than two months ago, well after this epidemic had already started.

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