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TikTok told moderators to suppress posts by “ugly” people and the poor

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Re: TikTok told moderators to suppress posts by “ugly” people and the poor

#21

This is what happens when you mix utilitarian morality with a desire to stop online bullying. You just stop letting the most likely targets of bullying be seen. This is much cheaper and easier than trying to get rid of everyone who has ever been mean online, because that's everyone.

The documents reveal that it's about curating appealing content to get user retention, and that the talk of stopping bullying is just talk.

Re: TikTok told moderators to suppress posts by “ugly” people and the poor

#22

How is this different from nightclubs having a high bar to entry? I am not saying this is an ethical thing to do, I am saying these apps are no different from nightclubs and they gotta do what they gotta do to survive. And no matter what you may say, humans prefer non ugly people over ugly people. I am sorry but this is simply how humans work. If you disagree, then you are a hypocrite. So should high end nightclubs b…

Humans also prefer being politically correct, so you would surely see a lot of people shaming TikTok here.

Re: TikTok told moderators to suppress posts by “ugly” people and the poor

#23

This is what happens when you mix utilitarian morality with a desire to stop online bullying. You just stop letting the most likely targets of bullying be seen. This is much cheaper and easier than trying to get rid of everyone who has ever been mean online, because that's everyone.

But it's just "The Algorithm"... /s

Re: TikTok told moderators to suppress posts by “ugly” people and the poor

#24

How is this different from nightclubs having a high bar to entry? I am not saying this is an ethical thing to do, I am saying these apps are no different from nightclubs and they gotta do what they gotta do to survive. And no matter what you may say, humans prefer non ugly people over ugly people. I am sorry but this is simply how humans work. If you disagree, then you are a hypocrite. So should high end nightclubs b…

I think what a lot of nightclubs end up doing is definitely discriminatory and we should not tolerate that.

Re: TikTok told moderators to suppress posts by “ugly” people and the poor

#25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, like reddit?

Moderators of the subreddits in reddit are normal reddit users (normally) compared to the moderators in TikTok who I presume are selected by the company and on payroll (or contractors maybe, I seem to recall Facebook uses contractors for this)

What difference does it make? People are moderating content that they want to seen or not want to be seen.

No different than the editor of a newspaper or television show.

Re: TikTok told moderators to suppress posts by “ugly” people and the poor

#26
post #21

This is what happens when you mix utilitarian morality with a desire to stop online bullying. You just stop letting the most likely targets of bullying be seen. This is much cheaper and easier than trying to get rid of everyone who has ever been mean online, because that's everyone.

The documents reveal that it's about curating appealing content to get user retention, and that the talk of stopping bullying is just talk.

> The documents reveal that it's about curating appealing content to get user retention

Seems kind of similar to what supermarket magazines do. Obviously a social media app is not a supermarket magazine, but the premise of cynically using pretty people to drive up engagement is nothing new.

Re: TikTok told moderators to suppress posts by “ugly” people and the poor

#27

How is this different from nightclubs having a high bar to entry? I am not saying this is an ethical thing to do, I am saying these apps are no different from nightclubs and they gotta do what they gotta do to survive. And no matter what you may say, humans prefer non ugly people over ugly people. I am sorry but this is simply how humans work. If you disagree, then you are a hypocrite. So should high end nightclubs b…

Humans also prefer being politically correct, so you would surely see a lot of people shaming TikTok here.

Louder voices want to be politically correct and shame those who aren't.

Re: TikTok told moderators to suppress posts by “ugly” people and the poor

#28
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How are algorithms a "layer of abstraction" for guidelines given to human moderators?

I think his point is that if people set the objectives, the AI will learn what people like, and that is going to be discriminatory in some way.

The difference is that a person with some flaw can compensate by having other qualities and still be popular. But if there is a hard rule, then that's not possible.

People need that hope.

Re: TikTok told moderators to suppress posts by “ugly” people and the poor

#29
Most forms of media do this to varying degrees. Most actors, for example, are attractive people. Few unattractive actors are successful, unless perhaps they only play roles which play off of their unattractiveness (like antagonists/villains). TV news anchors are also usually picked for their attractiveness.

Re: TikTok told moderators to suppress posts by “ugly” people and the poor

#30

How is this different from nightclubs having a high bar to entry? I am not saying this is an ethical thing to do, I am saying these apps are no different from nightclubs and they gotta do what they gotta do to survive. And no matter what you may say, humans prefer non ugly people over ugly people. I am sorry but this is simply how humans work. If you disagree, then you are a hypocrite. So should high end nightclubs b…

> If you disagree, then you are a hypocrite.

That kind of tone is frowned upon here.

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