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Re: AMD’s 7nm Ryzen 4000 laptop processors

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Post by kissiel » Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 3:02 PM UTC

Zenst wrote: post #12

kissiel wrote: post #7

Except they're actually not. I would love to buy one, but there is no one laptop with 4000 series in shops here, in EU.

Yes the whole supply chain is somewhat having a bumpy time, it will get there in the end. But had a quick look from the UK and plenty here for next day delivery. Even some fancy ones like: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Zephyrus-GA401IV-GeForce-Graphics-W... So technically they are available in the EU, just a slowly transitioning supply due to logistical human malware factors comming into play.

For the laptop you linked it says: This item will be released on April 16, 2020. Which considering human malware may be May+

Re: AMD’s 7nm Ryzen 4000 laptop processors

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Post by leptoniscool » Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 3:21 PM UTC

Awesome, Moore's law is back on track

Re: AMD’s 7nm Ryzen 4000 laptop processors

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Post by gtm1260 » Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 3:32 PM UTC

Is there any chance Dell releases and AMD XPS 13?

Re: AMD’s 7nm Ryzen 4000 laptop processors

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Post by DiabloD3 » Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 3:43 PM UTC

Roritharr wrote: post #17

So Anandtech has this to say about Thunderbolt 3 support: "Display support for the CPUs allows for two 4K monitors through DisplayPort over Type-C, an additional 4K monitor if Thunderbolt is used, and a fourth monitor if USB 4.0 used. AMD has designed Renoir to not need additional chips to detect which way a Type-C is connected – that is all handled on die. With the display and USB support, the processor allows for c…

No, you want the next generation, for the same reason: Thunderbolt is now officially dead, it has been absorbed into the official USB4 standard.

There is very unclear support for existing Thunderbolt-over-Type-C devices under USB4, and it is likely your devices will stop working.

Please wait until USB4 and USB4-based solutions start shipping before you start adopting it, else you're going to be stuck with a bunch of devices that are no longer being supported, or cannot be cross-supported across Thunderbolt 3 and USB4 variants.

Re: AMD’s 7nm Ryzen 4000 laptop processors

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Post by tedunangst » Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 3:46 PM UTC

None of these battery benchmarks seem to normalize for work per unit time. 2.0 hours of cinebench rendering on one cpu and 2.5 hours on another cpu can't really be compared unless you know how many frames were rendered.

Re: AMD’s 7nm Ryzen 4000 laptop processors

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Post by blurbleblurble » Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 5:13 PM UTC

fstephany wrote: post #11

blurbleblurble wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For real! What's up with the lack of 2-in-1 AMD x13? I have an artist friend who needs a new laptop and I'm telling him to wait for Ryzen 4000 laptops. Am I supposed to tell him to get a gaming laptop or something? These recent Intel laptops often have really dicey real-time performance because of how aggressively their clock speeds are controlled. For someone who does mixed multimedia work, a Ryzen 4000 2-in-1 would…

The announced Lenovo Yoga Slim 7 might tick the right boxes.

Oh wow, that one is so close! Just needs some more memory...

edit: at first I read that this would have 8 GB RAM, but now I'm reading that you can get up to 16 GB, which I think would be adequate for some basic multimedia work.

edit 2: wait I'm confused, according to the announcement, the AMD version is set at 8 GB of RAM.

https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/coming-soon/IdeaPad-Slim-7-14AR...

Re: AMD’s 7nm Ryzen 4000 laptop processors

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Post by sfshaw » Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 5:29 PM UTC

gtm1260 wrote: post #23

Is there any chance Dell releases and AMD XPS 13?

I would be very interested in this as well but I fear Intel and Dell have some kind of exclusivity agreement for our beloved product line. In the meantime we'll all just switch to Zen2 ThinkPads.

Re: AMD’s 7nm Ryzen 4000 laptop processors

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Post by Roritharr » Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 5:33 PM UTC

DiabloD3 wrote: post #24

Roritharr wrote: post #17

So Anandtech has this to say about Thunderbolt 3 support: "Display support for the CPUs allows for two 4K monitors through DisplayPort over Type-C, an additional 4K monitor if Thunderbolt is used, and a fourth monitor if USB 4.0 used. AMD has designed Renoir to not need additional chips to detect which way a Type-C is connected – that is all handled on die. With the display and USB support, the processor allows for c…

No, you want the next generation, for the same reason: Thunderbolt is now officially dead, it has been absorbed into the official USB4 standard. There is very unclear support for existing Thunderbolt-over-Type-C devices under USB4, and it is likely your devices will stop working. Please wait until USB4 and USB4-based solutions start shipping before you start adopting it, else you're going to be stuck with a bunch of…

I already have a bunch of TB3 Docks in our company, so ditching them would really be painful and a reason to stick to Intel.

Re: AMD’s 7nm Ryzen 4000 laptop processors

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Post by DiabloD3 » Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 8:20 PM UTC

Roritharr wrote: post #28

DiabloD3 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you want the next generation, for the same reason: Thunderbolt is now officially dead, it has been absorbed into the official USB4 standard. There is very unclear support for existing Thunderbolt-over-Type-C devices under USB4, and it is likely your devices will stop working. Please wait until USB4 and USB4-based solutions start shipping before you start adopting it, else you're going to be stuck with a bunch of…

I already have a bunch of TB3 Docks in our company, so ditching them would really be painful and a reason to stick to Intel.

Intel's own version of their USB4 controller might not support it either.

Absolutely nobody I know has been able to get a straight answer out of anyone; not Intel, not the USB IF, not other members of the USB IF, on if existing Thunderbolt 3 devices will work on USB4 hosts.

And it will be a complete and absolute shitshow if it doesn't, because Type-C has swindled us into thinking Type-C is just Type-C.

Re: AMD’s 7nm Ryzen 4000 laptop processors

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Post by Zenst » Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 9:15 PM UTC

kissiel wrote: post #21

Zenst wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes the whole supply chain is somewhat having a bumpy time, it will get there in the end. But had a quick look from the UK and plenty here for next day delivery. Even some fancy ones like: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Zephyrus-GA401IV-GeForce-Graphics-W... So technically they are available in the EU, just a slowly transitioning supply due to logistical human malware factors comming into play.

For the laptop you linked it says: This item will be released on April 16, 2020. Which considering human malware may be May+

Oh yes, defo saw maybe that or another one next day delivery - but may be case of bad listening and got corrected.

Did try look for the other listing I saw but not showing now, so hmmm.