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New Mac OS X Lion features announced: Version Control, Instant Resume

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Re: New Mac OS X Lion features announced: Version Control, Instant Resume

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Post by yan »

FiddlerClamp wrote: post #18

Versions and Resume look cool, but Launchpad? Do people really need a full view of all the (dozens) of apps they have installed? I thought we were getting away from that with Quicksilver and other 'find as you type' tools. Launchpad seems like Program Manager from the olden days of Windows.

By "we" do you mean the geeks that read HN and write code, or their typical consumer?

I have never seen my mom type to find a file she was looking for, let alone launch an app. Every single person I know that isn't in technology or consider themselves technically competent uses and explores their computer solely with the mouse. Even editing a word she just typed, my mom would leave the keyboard, mouse over the previous word's characters, and then retype it.

Re: New Mac OS X Lion features announced: Version Control, Instant Resume

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Post by joedavis512 »

yan wrote: post #21
FiddlerClamp wrote: post #18

Versions and Resume look cool, but Launchpad? Do people really need a full view of all the (dozens) of apps they have installed? I thought we were getting away from that with Quicksilver and other 'find as you type' tools. Launchpad seems like Program Manager from the olden days of Windows.

By "we" do you mean the geeks that read HN and write code, or their typical consumer? I have never seen my mom type to find a file she was looking for, let alone launch an app. Every single person I know that isn't in technology or consider themselves technically competent uses and explores their computer solely with the mouse. Even editing a word she just typed, my mom would leave the keyboard, mouse over the previo…

At least it's better than pressing backspace until she gets to the word and then typing the whole thing again. ;)

Re: New Mac OS X Lion features announced: Version Control, Instant Resume

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Post by inaequitas »

ugh wrote: post #11
qjz wrote: post #3

Note that what they refer to as "Versions" isn't really version control. It would more accurately be referred to as snapshots, as it simply performs a backup when opening a document, then an hourly backup while it's open. This is a bit to arbitrary to be considered version control. Nonetheless, it might be useful to undisciplined users, if the snapshots are easy to access and the feature isn't well hidden. Also note…

It might be the case that simply saving the document creates a new version. Not exactly version control but quite good compared to nothing. Apple tends to omit details like that.

The guidelines say that apps should auto-save their documents on Lion, and you can bet Apple'sown productivity suite will. So snapshotting every 2 seconds might not work out too well.

Re: New Mac OS X Lion features announced: Version Control, Instant Resume

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Post by masklinn »

qjz wrote: post #3

Note that what they refer to as "Versions" isn't really version control. It would more accurately be referred to as snapshots, as it simply performs a backup when opening a document, then an hourly backup while it's open. This is a bit to arbitrary to be considered version control. Nonetheless, it might be useful to undisciplined users, if the snapshots are easy to access and the feature isn't well hidden. Also note…

Basically, Versions looks like a better and simpler application-level Time Machine integration (TM can already be integrated into applications, though that's now widely known and almost never used. Apart from Finder, I only found out Mail and iPhoto using it)

Re: New Mac OS X Lion features announced: Version Control, Instant Resume

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Post by ugh »

inaequitas wrote: post #23
ugh wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It might be the case that simply saving the document creates a new version. Not exactly version control but quite good compared to nothing. Apple tends to omit details like that.

The guidelines say that apps should auto-save their documents on Lion, and you can bet Apple'sown productivity suite will. So snapshotting every 2 seconds might not work out too well.

I was obviously referring to saving manually. If that’s no longer possible they could just replace the the save command in the menu with a “Create Version” command and Command+S could create a version instead of saving.

Re: New Mac OS X Lion features announced: Version Control, Instant Resume

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Post by inaequitas »

kstenerud wrote: post #14

I sure hope the auto-save "feature" can be disabled...

It's up to apps to implement it. But why, do you honestly think it will get in the way anywhere besides IDEs (and maybe not even there...)? This is an honest question because I can't really think of instances where I wouldn't want something like this.

I'm spoiled by Notational Velocity, which saves automatically, and by iPad apps for same. I have Coda and TextMate set to save when they lose focus so I don't lose work...

Re: New Mac OS X Lion features announced: Version Control, Instant Resume

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Post by masklinn »

lurch_mojoff wrote: post #9
Synaesthesia wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Resolution independence - IMO that's never gonna happen. Apple will do the pixel-doubling thing, I reckon. Netkas has confirmed the following about Lion: ( http://netkas.org/?p=609 ) >Lion requires hardware with a Core 2 Duo processor or better. A lot of apps are sandboxed. OpenGL 3.2 support

OpenGL 3.2, huh? Well, I guess it's better than nothing, but had a faint hope Apple will skip ahead to 4.0 or even 4.1. Next time around it seems.

Intel's HD 3000 seems to only support OpenGL 3. NVidia's 320M and 330M are likewise limited to OpenGL 3.3 (according to wikipedia, NVidia's own spec pages only talks about 2.1[0]). I'm not sure it makes as much sense to support that.

[0] http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_gt_330m_us.html

Re: New Mac OS X Lion features announced: Version Control, Instant Resume

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Post by danielsoneg »

qjz wrote: post #3

Note that what they refer to as "Versions" isn't really version control. It would more accurately be referred to as snapshots, as it simply performs a backup when opening a document, then an hourly backup while it's open. This is a bit to arbitrary to be considered version control. Nonetheless, it might be useful to undisciplined users, if the snapshots are easy to access and the feature isn't well hidden. Also note…

Absolutely not true version control, but if it covers everything on the HD and does so automatically, that's pretty awesome. There was an app called TimeDrawer that I was using for a while that did exactly that, and it saved me more times than I can count - "Automatic" and "Everywhere" are pretty powerful where versioning is concerned.

Re: New Mac OS X Lion features announced: Version Control, Instant Resume

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Post by rsl7 »

FiddlerClamp wrote: post #18

Versions and Resume look cool, but Launchpad? Do people really need a full view of all the (dozens) of apps they have installed? I thought we were getting away from that with Quicksilver and other 'find as you type' tools. Launchpad seems like Program Manager from the olden days of Windows.

Although you can always open /Applications, you can also litter your HD with apps. But now with the App Store you don't even have to know where the app is at all when it just appears in your dock or now in Launchpad.

I hope it at least supports drag and drop like cmd-tab. I'd use it. Typing app names is great and all, but I don't manage my photos with the command line.

Re: New Mac OS X Lion features announced: Version Control, Instant Resume

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Post by vital101 »

qjz wrote: post #3

Note that what they refer to as "Versions" isn't really version control. It would more accurately be referred to as snapshots, as it simply performs a backup when opening a document, then an hourly backup while it's open. This is a bit to arbitrary to be considered version control. Nonetheless, it might be useful to undisciplined users, if the snapshots are easy to access and the feature isn't well hidden. Also note…

I wonder if there is any kind of copyright infringement with http://www.versionsapp.com/?
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