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$5000 per violation of price-gouging in CA

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Re: $5000 per violation of price-gouging in CA

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What externalities?

One example is a pandemic.

I am intimately aware of exactly what constitutes an externality. I fail to see how this situation (two parties agreeing to a high price for a consumption good) has impacts on third parties.

I'm not sure how "pandemic" applies, either.

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So low wage workers should abandon their jobs to spend their time procuring essentials at reasonable prices? Because right now there's a lot of speculation short-term, but things will go back to normal in a week or so after everyone has enough toilet paper to last until 2050. Free market capitalism frequently generates outcomes that are at odds with a functioning society, and this is just another example.

What makes you think things will go back to normal in a week or so?

Re: $5000 per violation of price-gouging in CA

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Price isn't just the cost of buying something, it's the reward for producing it. If we see too many price gouging laws, then you can expect shortages as companies find themselves unable to justify extreme measures that would otherwise increase production (at great expense). Secondly, I would expect that localities with price gouging laws will discover that their goods are being re-routed to other places without those…

Yep. A much better way to alleviate shortages would be to suspend sales taxes.

Re: $5000 per violation of price-gouging in CA

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From an economics stand point, I don't understand why the government should ban price-gouging. Doesn't this place an artificial price ceiling that will ensure a shortage of goods? I would personally rather stores have items such as food/water at marked-up prices than not at all.

I think governments would rather that people that get it first have access than the peoplwnehat can't afford it. If you're going to have to essentially have some people not get supplies, basing it off of wealth and income is not politically optimal

Re: $5000 per violation of price-gouging in CA

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'll find a similar argument in any basic econ textbook. Put a cap on prices, then when demand rises for something (which normally leads to an increase in price, all other things being equal), the lack of an accompanying rise in price means there is no incentive to produce more of the good (no incentive for more producers to enter the market), so there isn't a corresponding increase in supply. Might work okay in Ch…

Do you actually think our economy needs 200x as much hand sanitizer production? If the demand runs high enough for long enough, it wont be an emergency, and emergency measures don't apply.

>Do you actually think our economy needs 200x as much hand sanitizer production?

Yes I do. If everybody is now sanitising their hands thoroughly and regularly throughout the day to prevent infection, this could easily be a 200x increase in hand sanitizer usage compared to what it was previously.

Re: $5000 per violation of price-gouging in CA

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From an economics stand point, I don't understand why the government should ban price-gouging. Doesn't this place an artificial price ceiling that will ensure a shortage of goods? I would personally rather stores have items such as food/water at marked-up prices than not at all.

No, it ensures that companies (and individuals) won't increase the price unnecessarily just to profit additionally from something like a pandemic.

Re: $5000 per violation of price-gouging in CA

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Price isn't just the cost of buying something, it's the reward for producing it. If we see too many price gouging laws, then you can expect shortages as companies find themselves unable to justify extreme measures that would otherwise increase production (at great expense). Secondly, I would expect that localities with price gouging laws will discover that their goods are being re-routed to other places without those…

When people charge 10-20X more for something that could have been purchased in a local store before the “arbitrage” businesses purchased all the inventory, that is clearly price gouging.

Re: $5000 per violation of price-gouging in CA

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An argument supporting gouging: https://reason.com/2019/01/31/price-gouging-is-supply-and-de...

You'll find a similar argument in any basic econ textbook. Put a cap on prices, then when demand rises for something (which normally leads to an increase in price, all other things being equal), the lack of an accompanying rise in price means there is no incentive to produce more of the good (no incentive for more producers to enter the market), so there isn't a corresponding increase in supply. Might work okay in Ch…

The President does have the power to direct factories to make masks during a national emergency.

Re: $5000 per violation of price-gouging in CA

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From an economics stand point, I don't understand why the government should ban price-gouging. Doesn't this place an artificial price ceiling that will ensure a shortage of goods? I would personally rather stores have items such as food/water at marked-up prices than not at all.

I think governments would rather that people that get it first have access than the peoplwnehat can't afford it. If you're going to have to essentially have some people not get supplies, basing it off of wealth and income is not politically optimal

If we look at who it's most dangerous too, elderly people, then basing it off wealth would actually be in their favour compared to basing it off who can get to stores quicker to hoard it.
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