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Trial of programmer accused in CIA leak ends in hung jury

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Re: Trial of programmer accused in CIA leak ends in hung jury

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I don't think it's a stretch to be honest, the thing is, while he might be completely guilty of leaking and the CIA know just can't prove. He wen't up against the CIA. This is a body who has the ability (allegedly of course) to restructure other governments. If it is a bogus charge.. Would anyone here really be surprised ? I mean really ? I don't think the people who would say : 'Nah wouldn't surprise me' are tinfoil…

Would I be surprised some people in the CIA would want to do such a thing? No. Would I be surprised they'd do something so stupid as to plant child pornography on a suspect's computer and ruin their already pretty soiled reputation to such an extent that all future prosecutions of whistleblowers and leakers will come under heavy doubt, in addition to their ethics around abused children, and that this would be signed…

At what point to you revert from "their reputation is already so terrible they wouldn't sully it more" to "we should really just assume the worst 100% of the time"?

Re: Trial of programmer accused in CIA leak ends in hung jury

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The Register (as usual) has excellent coverage of this:

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/03/09/cia_hacking_trial_v...

It seems like the CIA's opsec was bad: "It didn’t help that during the course of the trial, the CIA was found to have appalling security measures in place: multiple people used the same admin username and password to access the critical servers. Not only that, but the passwords used were weak – 123ABCdef and mysweetsummer being the main two – and on top of that, they were published on the department’s intranet."

Re: Trial of programmer accused in CIA leak ends in hung jury

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I have to agree, with the usual caveats about anecdotal evidence, that it's awfully strange how often it seems that people accused of exfiltrating sensitive information are later discovered (I'm really tempted to write "discovered") to have child porn on their computers.

"Rule By Law" This is sorta what all the mass surveillance and tracking is about, or at least enables: To ruin the life of any potential dissident. If they can't dig up any dirt from your history, they'll inject it.

Isn't it a known CIA or FBI technique to imply people are "weird" in some fashion, so that the public doesn't look into cases too much. Like it used to be people accused by them were implied to be homosexual, transexual, furries, weird sex things, etc. Now it's child porn, so that no one would want to look into it too much or want to defend the accused person too much.

Re: Trial of programmer accused in CIA leak ends in hung jury

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to agree, with the usual caveats about anecdotal evidence, that it's awfully strange how often it seems that people accused of exfiltrating sensitive information are later discovered (I'm really tempted to write "discovered") to have child porn on their computers.

"Rule By Law" This is sorta what all the mass surveillance and tracking is about, or at least enables: To ruin the life of any potential dissident. If they can't dig up any dirt from your history, they'll inject it.

Why would they need mass surveillance to plant a hard drive full of false evidence?

Re: Trial of programmer accused in CIA leak ends in hung jury

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would I be surprised some people in the CIA would want to do such a thing? No. Would I be surprised they'd do something so stupid as to plant child pornography on a suspect's computer and ruin their already pretty soiled reputation to such an extent that all future prosecutions of whistleblowers and leakers will come under heavy doubt, in addition to their ethics around abused children, and that this would be signed…

At what point to you revert from "their reputation is already so terrible they wouldn't sully it more" to "we should really just assume the worst 100% of the time"?

I would say the public exposure of a truly shocking and confirmed scandal that took place within the past 10 - 20 years and which goes all the way to the top of the organization. Especially if a lot of people are in the know.

Something along the lines of MKULTRA or COINTELPRO. (I would argue that even in the era where those programs were rampant, planting child pornography would still seem unlikely. Though certainly a lot more likely.)

Re: Trial of programmer accused in CIA leak ends in hung jury

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's a stretch to be honest, the thing is, while he might be completely guilty of leaking and the CIA know just can't prove. He wen't up against the CIA. This is a body who has the ability (allegedly of course) to restructure other governments. If it is a bogus charge.. Would anyone here really be surprised ? I mean really ? I don't think the people who would say : 'Nah wouldn't surprise me' are tinfoil…

Would I be surprised some people in the CIA would want to do such a thing? No. Would I be surprised they'd do something so stupid as to plant child pornography on a suspect's computer and ruin their already pretty soiled reputation to such an extent that all future prosecutions of whistleblowers and leakers will come under heavy doubt, in addition to their ethics around abused children, and that this would be signed…

Why not? They claim end-to-encryption is protecting pedophiles... And it's their selling point. That trench of absolute human shit is their marketing. - For impact, they need to sell it over the value of e2e for the citizen.

Planting that shit seems a perfect candidate to get a no questions asked lock up. And lets be honest, if its true, we would all burn his balls attached to him and than let him go to prison.

But I agree with other posters, he is capable enough to clean his leaking, but not his kiddie shit ? Also he was never recognised for the kiddie stuff before ? My tinfoil hat is not on, but its in that region.

Re: Trial of programmer accused in CIA leak ends in hung jury

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would I be surprised some people in the CIA would want to do such a thing? No. Would I be surprised they'd do something so stupid as to plant child pornography on a suspect's computer and ruin their already pretty soiled reputation to such an extent that all future prosecutions of whistleblowers and leakers will come under heavy doubt, in addition to their ethics around abused children, and that this would be signed…

Why not? They claim end-to-encryption is protecting pedophiles... And it's their selling point. That trench of absolute human shit is their marketing. - For impact, they need to sell it over the value of e2e for the citizen. Planting that shit seems a perfect candidate to get a no questions asked lock up. And lets be honest, if its true, we would all burn his balls attached to him and than let him go to prison. But I…

>But I agree with other posters, he is capable enough to clean his leaking, but not his kiddie shit ?

As I wrote in my post, he wasn't capable enough to clean up a lot of his leaking. They found various kinds of evidence. A lot of it was covered up, but a lot wasn't.

>Also he was never recognised for the kiddie stuff before ?

I would bet the majority of people who download child pornography probably never end up getting on anyone's radar. Or at least a large percentage don't.

>Why not? They claim end-to-encryption is protecting pedophiles... And it's their selling point. That trench of absolute human shit is their marketing. - For impact, they need to sell it over the value of e2e for the citizen.

Sure, I don't like that one bit, but it's a huge leap to go from that to planting child pornography evidence on a suspect's computer. Many people do legitimately believe encryption is a net negative and enables criminals like pedophiles and terrorists. I don't agree with them, but this is a belief people have. On the other hand, there is no belief or rationale that could ever justify planting child pornography on someone's computer.

Are you suggesting that this is a double-layered conspiracy - not only a way to get a leaker convicted, but also a way to make those who use encryption seem like pedophiles? If so, you're going to need to provide even more evidence than if you were just posing the first claim. I could think of like four more layers of conspiracy theories I could pile on top of that, but they're also meaningless without evidence. I could spin your comment as you being part of a conspiracy theory to protect pedophiles; also meaningless.

>Planting that shit seems a perfect candidate to get a no questions asked lock up. And lets be honest, if its true, we would all burn his balls attached to him and than let him go to prison.

Sure, that'd be one of the best ways to secure a conviction if you're trying to think of what sort of evidence to plant, but I don't see how it relates to your other points or to the likelihood of it being true. Conspiring to crash planes into financial and government buildings on 9/11 would be one of the best ways to start a war in the Middle East if you're trying to think of some casus belli, but that doesn't mean that's what actually happened.

I would recommend reading the documents. Yes, some are long, but they're much more informative than completely blind speculation from HN commenters going off of nothing but a thread title.

Re: Trial of programmer accused in CIA leak ends in hung jury

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not? They claim end-to-encryption is protecting pedophiles... And it's their selling point. That trench of absolute human shit is their marketing. - For impact, they need to sell it over the value of e2e for the citizen. Planting that shit seems a perfect candidate to get a no questions asked lock up. And lets be honest, if its true, we would all burn his balls attached to him and than let him go to prison. But I…

>But I agree with other posters, he is capable enough to clean his leaking, but not his kiddie shit ? As I wrote in my post, he wasn't capable enough to clean up a lot of his leaking. They found various kinds of evidence. A lot of it was covered up, but a lot wasn't. >Also he was never recognised for the kiddie stuff before ? I would bet the majority of people who download child pornography probably never end up gett…

I only read the ;gloss over my points you made, so drill in a bit more before I listen.

> a lot of his leaking. They found various kinds of evidence. A lot of it was covered up, but a lot wasn't.

Point still kind stands.

> I would bet the majority of people who download child pornography probably never end up getting on anyone's radar. Or at least a large percentage don't.

Oh you would bet ? well let me discard all facts then. Same shit doesn't apply when you work in CIA/FBI (not sure who looks at that shit), if it does and the agency you use to figure it out cant realise shit in their own group, then fuck me that might be more worrying than a cunt next door. The govmnt needs to do their fucking job and clean that shit up.

> Sure, I don't like that one bit, but it's a huge leap to go from

I refer to the above. You don't like it ? Bullshit, you're defending it.

End to End Encryption is perfect.

Prove me wrong.

Re: Trial of programmer accused in CIA leak ends in hung jury

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not? They claim end-to-encryption is protecting pedophiles... And it's their selling point. That trench of absolute human shit is their marketing. - For impact, they need to sell it over the value of e2e for the citizen. Planting that shit seems a perfect candidate to get a no questions asked lock up. And lets be honest, if its true, we would all burn his balls attached to him and than let him go to prison. But I…

>But I agree with other posters, he is capable enough to clean his leaking, but not his kiddie shit ? As I wrote in my post, he wasn't capable enough to clean up a lot of his leaking. They found various kinds of evidence. A lot of it was covered up, but a lot wasn't. >Also he was never recognised for the kiddie stuff before ? I would bet the majority of people who download child pornography probably never end up gett…

> are you suggesting that this is a double-layered conspiracy

No, I am not, I'm saying that it's possible someone had a bad reaction to the leaks so decided to (allegedly) plant data.

If you had a bit of common sense you would be able to read that.

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