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Re: My Covid-19 Story in Brooklyn

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Post by minitoar »

101404 wrote: post #9
dredmorbius wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To a substantial extent, yes. UC Davis Medical Center statement on refusal of CDC to grant permissions to test suspected patient: https://health.ucdavis.edu/health-news/contenthub/novel-coro... "UC Davis Health does not control the testing process." Florida refusal to release testing data: https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/02/27/flo... Note that Spring Break in the US, in which about 10 million colle…

> consume substances I find this kind of euphemism use really weird. "Substances"? Water is a "substance". A carpet is too. Why not just say what one is actually referring to?

I believe this usage is in reference to “controlled substances”, a legal term.

Re: My Covid-19 Story in Brooklyn

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Post by wyck »

76543210 wrote: post #15

So is there a way to prepare our bodies for getting sick? Me and my wife and our 8 month old live 40 hours a week in public, so it's going to happen. We already eat healthy, me and the wife workout. But the kid? Not sure how to prepare him.

Protein is vital for your immue system and to fight viral and bacterial infections. Chicken soup with lots of potein and vitamins is a not just an old wives tale.

But unless your kid has an underlying health issue or vitamin deficiency, then not really. Eat well, get some sunlight if you can, wash your hands often, don't touch your face, follow the guidlines doctors are mentioning at your state/local or federal level.

Re: My Covid-19 Story in Brooklyn

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Post by jonplackett »

slovenlyrobot wrote: post #13
wolco wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes and extend that to many governments.

It appears to be pretty much all western governments. at least 3 countries in the middle east appear to be pretty transparent, including surprisingly, Iran The level of censorship around unquestionably authentic videos coming out of China has left me in a deep state of shock

What videos are you referring to?

Re: My Covid-19 Story in Brooklyn

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Post by vanusa »

sschueller wrote: post #8

The Swiss government issued the following guidelines [1] to prevent further spread of the virus. Masks are considered useless unless you are infected. - Wash your hands thoroughly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvcvvRp3lsY - Cough and sneeze into a paper tissue/handerchief or the crook of your arm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3_rFPtQgKE - If you experience shortness of breath, have a cough or fever: • Stay at…

Masks are considered useless unless you are infected.

That's not what the guidelines said. They guidelines were referring only to "hygienic masks" a.k.a. generic surgical masks:

The Federal Office of Public Health (FOPH) does not recommend that people who are well wear hygienic masks (surgical masks). If you are in good health, they do not protect you effectively against an infection with respiratory viruses (i.e. self protection). Wearing a mask therefore can give you a false sense of security.

This is a known point. But they did not mention -- nor did they advise against the use of -- properly rated and certified masks (such as N95 masks). Which do provide some protection (albeit with caveats).

Also, just think for minute around the basic logic of what you're saying. If (properly rated and certified) masks provide "no protection" (for unprotected individuals) - then why are the health care workers using them?

Re: My Covid-19 Story in Brooklyn

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Post by [deleted] »

dredmorbius wrote: post #6
hsnewman wrote: post #3

This implies that our government is managing the propaganda around Covid-19 by simply not testing suspected cases. Is this true?

To a substantial extent, yes. UC Davis Medical Center statement on refusal of CDC to grant permissions to test suspected patient: https://health.ucdavis.edu/health-news/contenthub/novel-coro... "UC Davis Health does not control the testing process." Florida refusal to release testing data: https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/02/27/flo... Note that Spring Break in the US, in which about 10 million colle…

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Re: My Covid-19 Story in Brooklyn

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Post by obituary_latte »

endorphone wrote: post #16
sschueller wrote: post #8

The Swiss government issued the following guidelines [1] to prevent further spread of the virus. Masks are considered useless unless you are infected. - Wash your hands thoroughly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvcvvRp3lsY - Cough and sneeze into a paper tissue/handerchief or the crook of your arm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3_rFPtQgKE - If you experience shortness of breath, have a cough or fever: • Stay at…

Masks are considered useless unless you are infected. This is a bizarre claim that can be countered against the reality that every front-line worker is equipped with a mask. EDIT: Almost immediately I dropped to -2. Bizarre. Again, every health agency the world over equips health workers who deal with potential COVID-19 with N95+ masks. For some reason people desperately want to clutch onto the notion that it's usele…

Those paper masks do little if anything to help the wearer from taking in anything. They do not filter the air—they are far too porous and loose-fitting to filter. They do help prevent the wearer from spreading their germs and touching nose/mouth as you said, but they are not an effective air filtration device.

Re: My Covid-19 Story in Brooklyn

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Post by kps »

endorphone wrote: post #16
sschueller wrote: post #8

The Swiss government issued the following guidelines [1] to prevent further spread of the virus. Masks are considered useless unless you are infected. - Wash your hands thoroughly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvcvvRp3lsY - Cough and sneeze into a paper tissue/handerchief or the crook of your arm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3_rFPtQgKE - If you experience shortness of breath, have a cough or fever: • Stay at…

Masks are considered useless unless you are infected. This is a bizarre claim that can be countered against the reality that every front-line worker is equipped with a mask. EDIT: Almost immediately I dropped to -2. Bizarre. Again, every health agency the world over equips health workers who deal with potential COVID-19 with N95+ masks. For some reason people desperately want to clutch onto the notion that it's usele…

There is terminological confusion. Several things are colloquially called ‘masks’. Surgical masks do not significantly protect the wearer. Filtering facepiece respirators do.¹ ² The parent comment's links refer to N95, so they mean the latter, which are protective (assuming they're worn properly and genuine³).

In addition, the permanent rubber units provide protection when fitted with suitable filters; NIOSH calls these half masks (as distinct from full facepieces, colloquially ‘gas masks’). Where I am, these are still languishing on the shelves⁴, which means that the sort of people who are willing to spend five minutes looking up that P95 ≥ N95 are not yet panicking.

¹ https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/pdfs/UnderstandDifferenceInf...

² https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/personal-protective-equi...

³ https://knowits.niosh.gov/

⁴ https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/3m-performance-reusable-p...

Re: My Covid-19 Story in Brooklyn

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Post by drclau »

dredmorbius wrote: post #7
curiousgal wrote: post #4

China: underreports diagnosed cases. U.S.: underdiagnozes cases. Not sure which is worse.

At least in China, somebody knew the ground truth. As much as I criticised China's initial response, their eventual containment has proved highly effective. The US (and numerous other countries) are point-by-point repeating China's initial failures. This will delay control by days. Growth is presently doubling every 3 or so days, increasing by an order of magnitude every week. Delays will increase consequences direct…

What was your critique of China's measures?

To me the extreme measures were just an indication that they understood better than they let the rest of the world know what they are dealing with. I mean, they locked down entire cities at who knows what costs, and they were _disinfecting the streets_. Or maybe they did let everyone know via official channels. Frankly, I was surprised that WHO didn't treat this as an emergency much earlier.

Re: My Covid-19 Story in Brooklyn

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Post by petercooper »

endorphone wrote: post #16
sschueller wrote: post #8

The Swiss government issued the following guidelines [1] to prevent further spread of the virus. Masks are considered useless unless you are infected. - Wash your hands thoroughly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvcvvRp3lsY - Cough and sneeze into a paper tissue/handerchief or the crook of your arm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3_rFPtQgKE - If you experience shortness of breath, have a cough or fever: • Stay at…

Masks are considered useless unless you are infected. This is a bizarre claim that can be countered against the reality that every front-line worker is equipped with a mask. EDIT: Almost immediately I dropped to -2. Bizarre. Again, every health agency the world over equips health workers who deal with potential COVID-19 with N95+ masks. For some reason people desperately want to clutch onto the notion that it's usele…

I personally believe that any sort of cover or mask is likely to have an effect even if not 100%. However..:

This is a bizarre claim that can be countered against the reality that every front-line worker is equipped with a mask.

This is not necessarily to protect the front-line workers. Since the incubation period is so long, it makes sense for front-line workers to wear masks to prevent them infecting other people even if it has zero effect in preventing them being infected in the first place.

Re: My Covid-19 Story in Brooklyn

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Post by tyfon »

vanusa wrote: post #24
sschueller wrote: post #8

The Swiss government issued the following guidelines [1] to prevent further spread of the virus. Masks are considered useless unless you are infected. - Wash your hands thoroughly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvcvvRp3lsY - Cough and sneeze into a paper tissue/handerchief or the crook of your arm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3_rFPtQgKE - If you experience shortness of breath, have a cough or fever: • Stay at…

Masks are considered useless unless you are infected. That's not what the guidelines said. They guidelines were referring only to "hygienic masks" a.k.a. generic surgical masks: The Federal Office of Public Health (FOPH) does not recommend that people who are well wear hygienic masks (surgical masks). If you are in good health, they do not protect you effectively against an infection with respiratory viruses (i.e. se…

You can actually increase your odds of infection by different deceases by having a paper mask since they are often uncomfortable or fit poorly and people put their hands to the face to adjust them.
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