Microsoft do the same tricks to push users to switch back from Firefox/Chrome to Edge : https://twitter.com/WindowsLatest/status/1226184938552098817
We kind of expect this from Microsoft. But we're still in denial about Google
Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side
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Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side
#22If Google were truly behind open web standards then they would have nothing to fear and no need to promote one standards conforming browser (Chrome) over another (Edge, Firefox or whatever). This just shows that the ultimate desire of all these corporate backed browsers is some degree of vendor lock in, which is why they feel the need to advertise their browser when their competitor's is almost 99.9% identical in fun…
i think they take their lesson from industry experience of microsoft embrace and extend strategy to take open standards and lock users into their proprietary extensions. as an example do you not remember IE? EDIT: because of microsoft decades long behaviour, they have good reason to be wary
Yes... but their whole spiel was that they were the anti-MS. But now they are becoming a more insidious version of the MS they railed against.
Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side
#23It was incredible to me how aggressively Microsoft came out supportive of the Chrome team and how loudly they discussed the wonderful amount of collaboration the two companies had been up to since starting work on the new Edge. I've seen Googlers responding to Edge developers about how they'll get some mishandling of Edge fixed internally at Google. But really, this is just the same story as before: The "oops" have b…
Pretty interesting article.
> "Google Chrome ads started appearing next to Firefox search terms. Gmail & [Google] Docs started to experience selective performance issues and bugs on Firefox. Demo sites would falsely block Firefox as 'incompatible'," he said.
> "All of this is stuff you're allowed to do to compete, of course. But we were still a search partner, so we'd say 'hey what gives?' And every time, they'd say, 'oops. That was accidental. We'll fix it in the next push in 2 weeks.'
> "Over and over. Oops. Another accident. We'll fix it soon. We want the same things. We're on the same team. There were dozens of oopses. Hundreds maybe?"
> "I'm all for 'don't attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence' but I don't believe Google is that incompetent. I think they were running out the clock. We lost users during every oops. And we spent effort and frustration every clock tick on that instead of improving our product. We got outfoxed for a while and by the time we started calling it what it was, a lot of damage had been done," Nightingale said.
You can do a lot more damage as a trusted friend than you can as a known enemy.
Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side
#24There are people using Microsoft Edge with Google Docs? What sort of logic puts one in this position?
Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side
#25Microsoft has turned Google's own weapon against them, crazy. Once they bundle it with W10, it's really going to take off. It's smart they changed the logo too.
Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side
#26There are people using Microsoft Edge with Google Docs? What sort of logic puts one in this position?
You ARE aware that a world of users outside of tech exists, right?
Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side
#27They're probably just user agent sniffing for non-Chrome browsers. I see this plenty when using Firefox or Safari. That said I wonder if all the State and DoJ investigations about anti-competitive behavior will force Google to stop promoting their own browser on their properties.
I agree. Perhaps the old user agent sniffing, from that recent age when Edge was NOT Chromium, is still mostly in place. This seems like the more likely reason to me.
These are new changes. Edge based on Chromium has been available for over a month publicly and in beta much longer. And these examples have just happened, and been introduced in the past week.
Google is actively writing checks for the new Edge and implementing new scare tactics claiming their nearly identical browser that gives them data on you is more secure.
Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side
#28It was incredible to me how aggressively Microsoft came out supportive of the Chrome team and how loudly they discussed the wonderful amount of collaboration the two companies had been up to since starting work on the new Edge. I've seen Googlers responding to Edge developers about how they'll get some mishandling of Edge fixed internally at Google. But really, this is just the same story as before: The "oops" have b…
Pretty interesting article. > "Google Chrome ads started appearing next to Firefox search terms. Gmail & [Google] Docs started to experience selective performance issues and bugs on Firefox. Demo sites would falsely block Firefox as 'incompatible'," he said. > "All of this is stuff you're allowed to do to compete, of course. But we were still a search partner, so we'd say 'hey what gives?' And every time, they'd say,…
> Google Chrome ads started appearing next to Firefox search terms
Why don't webdevs fight back and put "best viewed on Firefox" pop-ups on their pages (whenever the user is using Chrome).
Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side
#29Back when Google Chrome came out I switched from Firefox to Google Chrome because the scrolling felt better and more responsive. Microsoft Edge with Chromium engine has better scrolling in my opinion: it is relative to size of window. If I have smaller window it scrolls less. I switched to Microsoft Edge. It's about the product for me, although I have turned all the knobs to prevent trackers etc.
Edge's ability to convert any site to a PWA is pretty awesome too.
I haven't spent much time with the new Collections feature, but it appears to be useful.
Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side
#30If Google were truly behind open web standards then they would have nothing to fear and no need to promote one standards conforming browser (Chrome) over another (Edge, Firefox or whatever). This just shows that the ultimate desire of all these corporate backed browsers is some degree of vendor lock in, which is why they feel the need to advertise their browser when their competitor's is almost 99.9% identical in fun…
Those are "oopses", as someone who used to work at Mozilla called it in some article. If MS were to phone Google about it, they'd hear "oops, our mistake, we'll fix it asap."
And it'll happen often. An oops every few weeks. Every oops bleeds users to Chrome. Everytime a googler says "just a mistake" and they might not even be trying to be dishonest at it.
It's Google's corporate structure that enables this.