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JP Morgan economists warn climate crisis is threat to human race

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Re: JP Morgan economists warn climate crisis is threat to human race

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A few weeks ago I read Naomi Klein's "This Changes Everything." She specifically mentions how the bailout - after the 2008 crash - was a missed opportunity; that WS' behavior could been nudged or more. Given what was at risk, it's difficult to disagree.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/sep/22/this-changes-e...

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I wonder how our ancestors made it through the early Holocene, where it was 2-3C warmer, with just stone age technology?

Oh, humans, as a species, will survive. I don't think the race is in danger of dying out. Our way of life? Billions of lives? Yea, those are in danger.

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Re: JP Morgan economists warn climate crisis is threat to human race

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It looks like they're working on the Berkeley Pit: https://www.mtpr.org/post/montanas-berkeley-pit-water-treatm... But yeah the developing countries do deserve it. However, it remains a complex political issue. How do you declare or enforce regulations in countries outside of our jurisdiction? You can try to convince those countries it's worth it but you can't force them to.

Tariffs and sanctions. "Tax carbon or you can't trade with us. We'll freeze your assets in our banks. We'll get our allies to do the same thing. Any company that trades with you can't do business here." It works to force compliance on many other issues.

But it only works if we've made efforts to fix our own carbon emitting economies. Before anyone makes the currently popular "why aren't you telling China and India to stop emitting" argument

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In all the distrust and misinformation out there around this subject, it's refreshing whenever I see finance people talk in these terms. They are pragmatic to a fault, and wouldn't make statements like these lightly.

(Some, usually the loudest) are greedy to a fault and would bet their own mother (hyperbole, but you get the point) for six figures.

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Stone age tech meant they didn't have time to worry about fake crises, life was hard enough, eh? They just took the warm weather that followed the ice age and invented farming. Not bad. Resources aren't declining. Energy is more abundant than ever. Crop yields are way up. The Earth is greener and has more trees than it did just a few decades ago. Basic necessities are covered. There's no basis for alarmism.

Why do you think it's a "fake" crisis? All of the world's climate scientists (spanning multiple disciplines) are lying or exaggerating...for what exactly? More research grants? They could probably get more money by writing papers denying there's a problem. "Things are better than ever" is a meaningless statement. The Titanic was going great until it hit that iceberg. Our lookouts have been loudly warning us of this i…

>All of the world's scientists are lying or exaggerating

That itself is an exaggeration. Most of the world's scientists have nothing to do with climate science.

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tariffs and sanctions. "Tax carbon or you can't trade with us. We'll freeze your assets in our banks. We'll get our allies to do the same thing. Any company that trades with you can't do business here." It works to force compliance on many other issues.

But it only works if we've made efforts to fix our own carbon emitting economies. Before anyone makes the currently popular "why aren't you telling China and India to stop emitting" argument

> But it only works if we've made efforts to fix our own carbon emitting economies

Climate denialism in developed countries has many forms. Some of them include:

1. It's not happening

2. It's happening but it's natural

3. It's happening and it's because of human activity but it'll cost too much to fix it.

4. We could fix it but we'd be outcompeted by everyone else who doesn't. So let's not.

Tariffs and sanctions are to address #4. Rich countries absolutely must fix their economies, no question about it.

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"FIRM ACTS AS A PLACEMENT AGENT IN THE IFC’S $152 MILLION BOND TO PROTECT FORESTS AND DEEPEN CARBON-CREDIT MARKETS" https://www.jpmorgan.com/country/US/en/detail/1320553563765

Much as pointing out potential conflicts is always helpful, it's worth noting that most companies won't dive into a market unless upside exists.

In this case, looks like JPM is betting that the world will get a hold of itself, which would make this product a bit more... productive.

Re: JP Morgan economists warn climate crisis is threat to human race

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Why do you think it's a "fake" crisis? All of the world's climate scientists (spanning multiple disciplines) are lying or exaggerating...for what exactly? More research grants? They could probably get more money by writing papers denying there's a problem. "Things are better than ever" is a meaningless statement. The Titanic was going great until it hit that iceberg. Our lookouts have been loudly warning us of this i…

>All of the world's scientists are lying or exaggerating That itself is an exaggeration. Most of the world's scientists have nothing to do with climate science.

Thanks for the pedantic hair-splitting. I'll update my comment to say "all of the world's climate scientists". But it's not a stretch to say "most scientists in general". I'd wager > 50% of academics, of any discipline, agree it's happening and we need to act.

Re: JP Morgan economists warn climate crisis is threat to human race

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post #6

In all the distrust and misinformation out there around this subject, it's refreshing whenever I see finance people talk in these terms. They are pragmatic to a fault, and wouldn't make statements like these lightly.

> They are pragmatic to a fault, and wouldn't make statements like these lightly. The situation is dire, but lets not discount these are the very same people responsible for the derivatives scandal that plunged the global economy into disrepute, and profited very handsomely from it with bail outs and bonuses for their utter failure to exercise sound financial behaviour. So lets not place the very same people capable…

I didn't mean to put them on pedestals; I really did mean "to a fault". Usually it's a fault. What I'm saying is that they don't mess around when it comes to their own self-interest. So if even they are worried about this, we all should be.
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