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The dystopian world of software engineering interviews

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Re: The dystopian world of software engineering interviews

#21

Interviews are so bad because there are too many capable programmers. If there really was a market shortage, companies would not interview like this.

That's what I think every time I see one of these articles but tech companies still have a permanent door into every congressional office to plead the exact opposite while seeking to import more labor into the market.

Re: The dystopian world of software engineering interviews

#22

Interviews are so bad because there are too many capable programmers. If there really was a market shortage, companies would not interview like this.

If the problem was oversupply, we wouldn't be getting the cushy salaries and benefits we do. I think the issue is more that it's pretty easy for people with no programming ability to appear competent on a resume, especially to a clueless HR rep or headhunter. There are a lot of people out there whose backgrounds look good on paper who can't solve FizzBuzz...

I think the cushy salaries come from the fact that programming done right is extremely profitable. So the capitalists toss a chunk of money to the engineers.

Re: The dystopian world of software engineering interviews

#24

Interviews are so bad because there are too many capable programmers. If there really was a market shortage, companies would not interview like this.

As someone who interviews, you'd be shocked how many "senior engineers" can't write a function with two for-loops.

Re: The dystopian world of software engineering interviews

#25
No matter how many APIs and tutorials you do it comes down to being calm under pressure and knowing who you are talking to. You have to practice your communication skills and be cool. Often times you will be interviewed by HR people and managers - rarely will you get to be interviewed by a TDD Clean code geek that you follow on twitter. Eitherway there is nothing out there that you deserve more than other people. If you are young shut up and build stuff. (I wrote this as satire a couple moons ago; http://owensoft.net/v4/item/2162/ )

Re: The dystopian world of software engineering interviews

#26
post #17

Is it possible to create a meaningful coding test that only takes 45 minutes? I would love some examples for front end tests if any one has any.

Fizzbuzz?

I'm pretty sure the only meaningful coding test is if you can program at all. After that everything becomes artificial in an interview setting.

Re: The dystopian world of software engineering interviews

#27

Everyone knows it's broken, but interview cycle still continues to bring in talent, even if there are false negatives. People still brave the grueling gauntlet. People still show up for interviews. Smart people still get hired. The system works, just in a terribly shitty way. To HR, the engineer hiring process is voodoo magic and we best not touch it.

It only works because there's always another body standing outside the door waiting their turn to be abused by the process. It'll end real quick if they run out of interviewees.

Re: The dystopian world of software engineering interviews

#28

I've been doing initial phone screens (small companies) this week (two just today, actually), and with all of them when the recruiter (internal or external) gets to the "we'd like to send you a coding challenge" I interject with: "Let's do a code exchange. I'll point you at some of my GH projects, and you send me some of your code". So far they've accepted ("I'll forward it to the hiring manager"), and it's far too s…

Airtable requests a coding challenge and pays for your time. I was very impressed.

Re: The dystopian world of software engineering interviews

#29

Interviews are so bad because there are too many capable programmers. If there really was a market shortage, companies would not interview like this.

That's what I think every time I see one of these articles but tech companies still have a permanent door into every congressional office to plead the exact opposite while seeking to import more labor into the market.

When they say that, they want phds, not entry level candidates

Re: The dystopian world of software engineering interviews

#30

Interviews are so bad because there are too many capable programmers. If there really was a market shortage, companies would not interview like this.

My God - do we finally have a glut of developer talent now? According to some very simple logic, this really is the only explanation.
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