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Re: Turtleocracy

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Post by codezero »

whatshisface wrote: post #16
seemslegit wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's called a coaching scam

It's also called "management consulting." An article was on the top of HN the other day where the George Washington University was getting some, and apparently in that case the top decision-makers were treated to Disneyland Resort. What is this group offering compared to that?

On the surface it sounds like they are offering access to a network of connected and wealthy individuals with a hint that you might get paid to do research on one of their questions.

Re: Turtleocracy

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Post by keiferski »

aloisdg wrote: post #2

A bit off topic, but is there a name for this trend to put emoji everywhere? I have some trouble to read like that. There is a kind of Madeleine de Proust though, it feel like children book: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/8c/d1/e5/8cd1e583de4c89bf09c4275b2...

I'd include it with the general infantilization of culture that has been going on for at least 20 years. It's not a coincidence that it reminds you of a children's book...

Re: Turtleocracy

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Post by awaythrowbs »

aloisdg wrote: post #2

A bit off topic, but is there a name for this trend to put emoji everywhere? I have some trouble to read like that. There is a kind of Madeleine de Proust though, it feel like children book: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/8c/d1/e5/8cd1e583de4c89bf09c4275b2...

To continue off-topic:

What a beautiful page and service. Such a shame it breaks PgUp/PgDown in latest Firefox, and has like 10+ tracker scripts built in.

Re: Turtleocracy

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Post by leokennis »

aloisdg wrote: post #2

A bit off topic, but is there a name for this trend to put emoji everywhere? I have some trouble to read like that. There is a kind of Madeleine de Proust though, it feel like children book: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/8c/d1/e5/8cd1e583de4c89bf09c4275b2...

Slightly contrary to other commenters, but I like this trend (in web writing/Twitter etc.). A well placed emoji can convey an emotional state or complex concept that would otherwise take an extra sentence to convey.

Of course it depends on skillful execution.

Re: Turtleocracy

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Post by tomp »

siphium wrote: post #12

I love notion as a tool but it seems like one of those things people will be crying about in a few years if we continue to put all this valuable information solely in their hands. (yes i know you can export but it doesn't preserve the awesome format they have which is really the point)

Really? Browsing through this site a bit completely turned me off Notion... like, the page is so slow to load, as if the rendering was happening on the client side, not the server side... Can't they just generate & cache the HTML and serve it?

Edit: they also hijack Ctrl-click which I consider extra shitty and non-user-friendly.

Re: Turtleocracy

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Post by keiferski »

This seems like an overly-complex derivation of Isaiah Berlin's concept of The Hedgehog and the Fox:

Berlin...divides writers and thinkers into two categories: hedgehogs, who view the world through the lens of a single defining idea (examples given include Plato, Lucretius, Dante Alighieri, Blaise Pascal, Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Friedrich Nietzsche, Henrik Ibsen, Marcel Proust and Fernand Braudel), and foxes, who draw on a wide variety of experiences and for whom the world cannot be boiled down to a single idea (examples given include Herodotus, Aristotle, Desiderius Erasmus, William Shakespeare, Michel de Montaigne, Molière, Johann Wolfgang Goethe, Aleksandr Pushkin, Honoré de Balzac, James Joyce and Philip Warren Anderson).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hedgehog_and_the_Fox

Re: Turtleocracy

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Post by Piskvorrr »

setr wrote: post #17
codezero wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The language component hasn’t occurred to me, but suddenly makes sense. I once supported a customer for whom Google Translate wasn’t helping much, so we resorted to a combination of screenshots, boxes, arrows, and emojis and it ended well :)

However in most usages, there is no actual language benefit -- I doubt the animal emojis will actually help understanding of this article for any non-english speaker. In fact, I doubt you could really express anything beyond the simplest concepts with emojis in a language-agnostic fashion. Actually I'll go a step further: the idea of emoji as a language agnostic writing system is dumb. It's equivalent to pictograms,…

Tbh, the animal concepts here might work - not universally, but for people familiar with Aesop's fables (Turtle and Hare?), as the animals seem to carry the usual Western traits.

Re: Turtleocracy

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Post by keiferski »

Jack000 wrote: post #20
siphium wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's a marketing trend. The emojis seem like a soft universal language to help people who don't speak English grok broken google translations. Hoping to hear the name for this trend as it's a very interesting one indeed. Done well it seems like this is definitely the new wave as we continue to dumb everything down to the lowest common denominator. Done poorly, well I've done this and will just tell you the re…

This could be the great vowel shift of our era. In 100 years we might have dedicated phonemes for emoji, making a terse language similar to Chinese. Or as smartphones become ubiquitous and children are exposed to these graphemes earlier and earlier, we might skip vocalization altogether and just beam pictograms directly to the visual cortex via AR. exciting times!

The idea that emojis will replace actual language reminds of Newspeak from 1984. A few hundred (or thousand) smiley faces can't replace the complexity of human emotions.
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