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Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by raxxorrax »

dangus wrote: post #6
codingmess wrote: post #4

Freedom and privacy, good. Wokeness, not good. I wish they would have stuck to freedom and privacy. Now I can not wholeheartedly support them any longer. (Referring, for example, to their recent manifesto telling students they should only work for SJW approved companies).

I think being “woke” is only “not good” if you subscribe to the Fox News Cult. Thinking carefully about the ethics of the company you work for, especially those in-demand employees who largely have a choice like software engineers, is definitely important. This is not a partisan issue. Sure, you may not get your chance to own the libs, but that stuff is a bit childish, isn’t it? What does the phrase SJW actually mean…

No, I don't think so. I connect "woke" to activists that don't give anything about privacy. On the contrary, I think of self-righteous groups that try to get peoples private information and try to ruin their lives over the internet. In my opinion, this cannot be allowed wherever information technology is involved, especially anything concerning user information. It is one of the reasons I would never want these companies to know anything about me. They just cannot be trusted with information, even if you align with the values allegedly proposed.

That said, at least Mozillas "wokeness" is limited to a degree that is livable.

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by dextralt »

dangus wrote: post #6
codingmess wrote: post #4

Freedom and privacy, good. Wokeness, not good. I wish they would have stuck to freedom and privacy. Now I can not wholeheartedly support them any longer. (Referring, for example, to their recent manifesto telling students they should only work for SJW approved companies).

I think being “woke” is only “not good” if you subscribe to the Fox News Cult. Thinking carefully about the ethics of the company you work for, especially those in-demand employees who largely have a choice like software engineers, is definitely important. This is not a partisan issue. Sure, you may not get your chance to own the libs, but that stuff is a bit childish, isn’t it? What does the phrase SJW actually mean…

If you think very carefully about Mozilla, you'll realize that they're controlled opposition on a short leash, with almost the entirety of their revenue coming from Google. Guess nobody should be working there either, huh?

>If you don’t believe that “social justice” is good

I don't believe your definition of "justice" is good, and I don't believe that the people who had attempted to implement your ideology in practice brought any good to the people they've promised that justice to.

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by thawaway1837 »

RabbiPires wrote: post #7

All this talk about openness and freedom, and Mozilla's builds still ship with the proprietary Pocket extension by default. I really hope they don't have to rely on the revenue from Pocket at some point. Not only that, but it also connects to Google's SafeBrowsing servers. Is that required by their search engine contract with Google? Shouldn't be turned on by default.

You know they own Pocket right?

Pocket is basically their version of Read Later, etc...And it’s completely optional whether you want to use it or not. So I’m not sure I understand this complaint.

Mozilla’s first integration of Pocket was poorly done, and rightfully raised complaints. But since they have purchased it, a lot of those complaints have been resolved.

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by catalogia »

DrScientist wrote: post #15

Ex-Mozillian Brendan Eich agrees that privacy is the battle for the future http://www.brave.com The question is - do you need to re-write the internet economy as Brave are trying to to achieve it, and not just block trackers? The third element is that governments are becoming addicted to the vast trove of information gathered - will they be willing to give that up if a technical/business model solution takes off. Int…

I want no part of Brave's weird cryptoish scheme. I know the feature is opt-in, but I don't see the point in supporting an organization unable to find a source of revenue I find agreeable.

Even something as simple and obnoxious as donation nagging, like Wikipedia, seems preferable to what Brave has proposed.

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by thawaway1837 »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #19
dangus wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think being “woke” is only “not good” if you subscribe to the Fox News Cult. Thinking carefully about the ethics of the company you work for, especially those in-demand employees who largely have a choice like software engineers, is definitely important. This is not a partisan issue. Sure, you may not get your chance to own the libs, but that stuff is a bit childish, isn’t it? What does the phrase SJW actually mean…

I'm so far left I have serious plans in the works with money invested to start a commune with some of my friends. So I'm about as far from Fox news as you can get and I loathe woke culture. I'm not going to argue there merits, just letting you know it's not just the right.

What is “woke culture”?

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by XCSme »

throwaway8291 wrote: post #3

I'm using Firefox for years, after Chrome started to ask me for a login (at around version 40). Never looked back. One day I woke up to a chart showing browser market share of FF at around 4%, which surprised me - as I thought many people would understand the implications and directions. Maybe I'm too optimistic. Update: Loved chrome, used it for years, I also love most Chrome engineering and all the innovation they…

I personally just like Chrome because the awesome syncing between all devices and always having the best Dev Tools ready to open at any second.

I know my browser usage is used for marketing purposes, but as long as it doesn't harm me in anyway I can live with that.

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by infinity0 »

dangus wrote: post #6
codingmess wrote: post #4

Freedom and privacy, good. Wokeness, not good. I wish they would have stuck to freedom and privacy. Now I can not wholeheartedly support them any longer. (Referring, for example, to their recent manifesto telling students they should only work for SJW approved companies).

I think being “woke” is only “not good” if you subscribe to the Fox News Cult. Thinking carefully about the ethics of the company you work for, especially those in-demand employees who largely have a choice like software engineers, is definitely important. This is not a partisan issue. Sure, you may not get your chance to own the libs, but that stuff is a bit childish, isn’t it? What does the phrase SJW actually mean…

Failing to distinguish "woke" from a genuine desire and effectiveness to help the world, is itself not helpful to the world.

I've seen plenty of people "talk the talk" but act in a way that is completely disingenuous, manipulative, harmful, and often hypocritical. Other people don't examine their words too carefully and suck up to them just because they "talk nice", leading to various degrees of cults of personality.

It's exactly the same as pretending to have e.g. Christian values to gain popularity and respect but not following any of the principles, only you've replaced Christian with climate change or LGBT activism or charity or whatever.

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by [deleted] »

dextralt wrote: post #22
dangus wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think being “woke” is only “not good” if you subscribe to the Fox News Cult. Thinking carefully about the ethics of the company you work for, especially those in-demand employees who largely have a choice like software engineers, is definitely important. This is not a partisan issue. Sure, you may not get your chance to own the libs, but that stuff is a bit childish, isn’t it? What does the phrase SJW actually mean…

If you think very carefully about Mozilla, you'll realize that they're controlled opposition on a short leash, with almost the entirety of their revenue coming from Google. Guess nobody should be working there either, huh? >If you don’t believe that “social justice” is good I don't believe your definition of "justice" is good, and I don't believe that the people who had attempted to implement your ideology in practic…

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Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by marcinzm »

Ygg2 wrote: post #9
throwaway8291 wrote: post #3

I'm using Firefox for years, after Chrome started to ask me for a login (at around version 40). Never looked back. One day I woke up to a chart showing browser market share of FF at around 4%, which surprised me - as I thought many people would understand the implications and directions. Maybe I'm too optimistic. Update: Loved chrome, used it for years, I also love most Chrome engineering and all the innovation they…

> Maybe I'm too optimistic. Don't be optimistic, but don't be pesimistic either. Do what you can - donate time or money, or just recommend everyone to not use the piece of carp that is Chrome. Anything based on Chromium counts as well, their codebase is dictated by Google, one way or the other. My mom had so many issues with ads until I installed Firefox for her, and honestly, the ad blockers make the internet a much…

> money

As I understand it, donating money to Mozilla does not fund Firefox in any way but rather their other social initiatives (see the Mozilla Foundation page for a list). Firefox is under the Mozilla Corporation which is funded by things like search deals with Google.

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by mark_l_watson »

I liked the wrap up where the position is that it is OK when other browsers adopt some of Mozilla’s privacy features.

I just about exclusively use FireFox with nine containers on my Linux and macOS laptops. Being able to segregate data is a game changer.

On my iOS devices, I feel stuck with Safari since other browsers sit on top of Safari. I appreciate the privacy features in Safari but still feel the need to frequently remove all cookies and use private tabs when using sites like FaceBook. I just wrote about this yesterday https://mark-watson.blogspot.com/2020/02/protecting-oneself-...

Because I like to sometimes use my Chromebook, I am stuck using the Chrome web browser. Deleting all cookies frequently helps.

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