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Coronavirus – The Status of the Outbreak and 4 Possible Scenarios

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> In the optimistic scenario, a month from now we can calculate, from data outside mainland china, that the CFR is perhaps .3% or below What so absurd is it will take the world a month to know how serious this virus is. By that point it's likely too late to do anything to stop it. It's beyond disgusting that China is putting the entire world's population at risk due to pride and ego. Essentially "we'd rather screw ov…

This is a country the forced doctors at gun point to perform live delivery abortions in order to enforce the one child rule.

A good friend's sister was a Obgyn in China, and when women were discovered with their second pregnancy they would be brought in for abortions even if the baby was full term.

Doctors would either comply or have guns drawn and be threatened, doctors who failed to comply would be taken away, never to be seen again. At one point my friend's sister was performing twice as many abortions than she was delivering babies, and all of the abortions the mothers were being forced. Screaming, yelling, begging, pleading and crying hysterically.

As my friend would say, "My country doesn't value human life in any way, people are just numbers, all people are just numbers."

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I were betting I'd bet over 5x https://www.ccn.com/billionaire-whistleblower-wuhan-coronavi...

I'm skeptical of the Chinese government's statistics, but I'm also skeptical of those sources: https://www.ccn.com/about-us/ : > CCN.com, also known as CCN Markets, was founded in the summer of 2013 in Norway by serial entrepreneur Jonas Borchgrevink as “CryptoCoinsNews.com”. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/a-site-t... : > A Site Tied To Steve Bannon Is Writing Fake News About The Coronavirus > Fo…

Yeah I'll give you that. I'd guess the truth is somewhere in the middle. That said the basic claim "... alleges Wuhan has crematoriums working 24/7" seems backed by other sources. Even the Chinese government admits it's figures are only tested cases and they can't test everyone.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even with the existing restrictions the virus spreads. Spread leads to quarantine as we've seen in many chinese cases. I don't see why should we hope for the better with less restrictions. If we can identify which restrictions are helping, and which are not, then we can remove the ones that are not. The point of my comment above is that the restrictions come with their own costs, in some cases severe. > Not being a…

"Evidence-based way" At this point I am not sure what is evidence for you. Do you need a mathematical paper on it with the conclusion of irreversible damage? The experience is that it is still spreading. Yesterdays numbers We can't afford that!

I am saying that we should take a measured approach to everything and not panic and take extreme measures because of what "could" happen. Economic damage can destroy lives too, though probably not yours or mine. I think I'll stop engaging at this point, because we seem to be talking past each other.

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Sorry for not being upbeat! I am wondering why the world still does not seem to care about it. Why do we have to wait until every city gets infected? Why we can't stop travelling? Eventually, when it spreads to a city, the quarantine must be the only way... but why we aren't preventing that ourselves? The politicians does not really seem to care (in the bunkers)? Individual, consumer society with no interest and with…

I am wondering why the world still does not seem to care about it.

Let me flip that question around and ask, what difference would it make? What can you as an individual do, that you are not already doing, when the totalitarian government of the most populous nation on Earth is determined to downplay it?

It’s not indifference, it’s resignation.

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My guess is this thing is bad - keeps spreading, high mortality and the best we can do is slow it until we have a vaccine. I'm kind of optimistic people may be able to speed the vaccine stuff when they see how bad the situation is. Animal trials have started already >Shanghai-based Tongji University School of Medicine and Stermirna Therapeutics Co., Ltd. The vaccine samples were injected into more than 100 mice Sunda…

There's also the ongoing Phase 3 Remdesivir trial. [1] Which was used in the treatment of Washington's 2019-nCoV case. The patient appears to have begun recovering soon after the remdesivir was administered and was released shortly after. [2][3]

> Treatment with intravenous remdesivir (a novel nucleotide analogue prodrug in development) was initiated on the evening of day 7, and no adverse events were observed in association with the infusion. Vancomycin was discontinued on the evening of day 7, and cefepime was discontinued on the following day, after serial negative procalcitonin levels and negative nasal PCR testing for methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus.

> On hospital day 8 (illness day 12), the patient’s clinical condition improved. Supplemental oxygen was discontinued, and his oxygen saturation values improved to 94 to 96% while he was breathing ambient air. The previous bilateral lower-lobe rales were no longer present. His appetite improved, and he was asymptomatic aside from intermittent dry cough and rhinorrhea. As of January 30, 2020, the patient remains hospitalized. He is afebrile, and all symptoms have resolved with the exception of his cough, which is decreasing in severity.

This is obviously just a single patient’s outcome and not proof that Remdesevir is effective, but it’s just about the only positive news related to 2019-nCoV. Hopefully the trial yields good results.

[1] https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04257656

[2] https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2001191

[3] https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/snohomish-c...

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My guess is this thing is bad - keeps spreading, high mortality and the best we can do is slow it until we have a vaccine. I'm kind of optimistic people may be able to speed the vaccine stuff when they see how bad the situation is. Animal trials have started already >Shanghai-based Tongji University School of Medicine and Stermirna Therapeutics Co., Ltd. The vaccine samples were injected into more than 100 mice Sunda…

There's also the ongoing Phase 3 Remdesivir trial. [1] Which was used in the treatment of Washington's 2019-nCoV case. The patient appears to have begun recovering soon after the remdesivir was administered and was released shortly after. [2][3] > Treatment with intravenous remdesivir (a novel nucleotide analogue prodrug in development) was initiated on the evening of day 7, and no adverse events were observed in ass…

That sounds promising. I see in in vitro trials chloroquine also seems to work which would be handy as it's cheap and widely available https://www.asbmb.org/asbmb-today/science/020620/could-an-ol... which would be. In fact I may even take some prophylactically for my Singapore jaunt. You don't even need a prescription to buy it in the UK

>Our findings reveal that remdesivir and chloroquine are highly effective in the control of 2019-nCoV infection in vitro. Since these compounds have been used in human patients with a safety track record and shown to be effective against various ailments, we suggest that they should be assessed in human patients suffering from the novel coronavirus disease. (Conclusion from the letter to Nature https://www.nature.com/articles/s41422-020-0282-0.pdf)

Re: Coronavirus – The Status of the Outbreak and 4 Possible Scenarios

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There are those that dreamed of this happening.

Those that wanted the massive decoupling between the United States and China.

Those that wanted to see China suffer, fail, collapse, and devolve into another destructive civil war; while the United States remains ascendant.

Well, their dreams might be about to come true.

This coronavirus was the perfect economic weapon that was dropped in the heart of China. And not even a bullet was fired.

The economic backlash from this virus is going to be monstrous. But the reality might be even worse than they imagined, where even they themselves cannot escape the fallout, and that they would reminisce of better days.

But there will also be opportunities. Companies will fail, but others will succeed.

The Fed had better keep on printing that money, because the bubble in a lot of sectors will pop, especially Real Estate. Then automotive. Then aerospace. Then tourism. This house of cards is going to come crashing down.

The moment of the black swan event is about to arrive.

Time to place your bets.

Re: Coronavirus – The Status of the Outbreak and 4 Possible Scenarios

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There will _definitely_ be a worldwide epidemic.

China is losing millions every day, aside from psychological credit, as people want nothing to do with China.

(Anecdotally, the local shoe outlet claims that the kids shoes for at their brand will be manufactured in Thailand from next week.)

The Chinese can solve their disadvantage by either eliminating the virus, or by making sure other countries have it as well. (No point in going to Thailand if they are also getting sick.)

Elimination doesn't seem to be going as well as hoped for.

The Chinese government doesn't have a reputation of caring about other people, or human rights.

What are the chances it won't be breaking it out worldwide?

Re: Coronavirus – The Status of the Outbreak and 4 Possible Scenarios

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Sorry for not being upbeat! I am wondering why the world still does not seem to care about it. Why do we have to wait until every city gets infected? Why we can't stop travelling? Eventually, when it spreads to a city, the quarantine must be the only way... but why we aren't preventing that ourselves? The politicians does not really seem to care (in the bunkers)? Individual, consumer society with no interest and with…

> Why we can't stop travelling?

Way too many things/people depend on traveling. You can't stop the world for such a small thing. We should take precautions, probably more than what we do now, but stopping the world isn't going to work.

Don't fall for the fear mongering too, it kills less than the flu: https://blogs.sas.com/content/graphicallyspeaking/files/2019... and has a death rate of 2%. It's serious but not end of the world serious.

Re: Coronavirus – The Status of the Outbreak and 4 Possible Scenarios

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There are those that dreamed of this happening. Those that wanted the massive decoupling between the United States and China. Those that wanted to see China suffer, fail, collapse, and devolve into another destructive civil war; while the United States remains ascendant. Well, their dreams might be about to come true. This coronavirus was the perfect economic weapon that was dropped in the heart of China. And not eve…

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