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Re: A moon landing in 2024? NASA says it'll happen

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Post by rdlw »

redahs wrote: post #9

There's not much reason to settle the moon and mars prior to the remote establishment of an independent food supply. Aggressive remote terraforming through domes, mirrors, foreign microorganisms, explosives, and robots should come first. Establishing automated synthetic systems on these rocks to mimic what nature provides for free on Earth is the hard problem to be solving. Without such systems already place, wages w…

Viability due to public opinion is a reason. I think that NASA has been successful enough in popularizing the ideals of not interfering with the potential biospheres (or lacks of biosphere) of other planets, 'Planetary Protection', that any plan for 'aggressive remote terraforming' would be met with public outcry, for the sake of preserving areological history.

Re: A moon landing in 2024? NASA says it'll happen

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Post by jessriedel »

jdkee wrote: post #17
njarboe wrote: post #7

'"I am more interested in maximizing the odds of success for this bold undertaking and making it as safe as any human journey into the deep space can be, than I am in having NASA meet arbitrary deadlines," Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson — a Democrat from Texas and the chairwoman of the House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology — said at a recent hearing.' Waiting to make a journey until it is "as safe as can be"…

I would reckon it ain't gonna happen by 2024, given the mission critical failures Boeing has had with the Starliner. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/07/science/boeing-starliner-... Or the SLS system: https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/10/after-a-corrective-a...

The Starliner is for low-Earth orbit and is not part of the Artemis architecture for going to the Moon.

Re: A moon landing in 2024? NASA says it'll happen

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Post by nine_k »

ifdefdebug wrote: post #13

NASA wants to go to moon in about 4 years (!) but today they can't even lift a human into earth orbit since they discontinued their last spacecraft capable of such a task. Dream on.

They can always hire a commercial rocket SpaceX used to be their long-time partner.

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Post by ijidak »

api wrote: post #15
njarboe wrote: post #7

'"I am more interested in maximizing the odds of success for this bold undertaking and making it as safe as any human journey into the deep space can be, than I am in having NASA meet arbitrary deadlines," Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson — a Democrat from Texas and the chairwoman of the House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology — said at a recent hearing.' Waiting to make a journey until it is "as safe as can be"…

It all starts when we leave the womb, which is a stupid reckless decision.

Haha. I have a personal saying that is similar.

"Life causes death."

So, the key is clearly to never live in the first place. :-)

Re: A moon landing in 2024? NASA says it'll happen

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Post by johnchristopher »

njarboe wrote: post #7

'"I am more interested in maximizing the odds of success for this bold undertaking and making it as safe as any human journey into the deep space can be, than I am in having NASA meet arbitrary deadlines," Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson — a Democrat from Texas and the chairwoman of the House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology — said at a recent hearing.' Waiting to make a journey until it is "as safe as can be"…

"As safe as can be" doesn't mean "It's guaranteed nothing will go wrong".

Best efforts vs. guaranteed delivery service.

Re: A moon landing in 2024? NASA says it'll happen

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Post by craftyguy »

ifdefdebug wrote: post #13

NASA wants to go to moon in about 4 years (!) but today they can't even lift a human into earth orbit since they discontinued their last spacecraft capable of such a task. Dream on.

LEO requires totally different technology than getting to and landing on the Moon. So yes, they cannot get to LEO, but they've been developing the machines (SLS) that should allow them to get to the Moon. It's doubtful it'll happen by 2024 though.

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Post by nine_k »

redahs wrote: post #9

There's not much reason to settle the moon and mars prior to the remote establishment of an independent food supply. Aggressive remote terraforming through domes, mirrors, foreign microorganisms, explosives, and robots should come first. Establishing automated synthetic systems on these rocks to mimic what nature provides for free on Earth is the hard problem to be solving. Without such systems already place, wages w…

It may be easier to undertake a massive industrial operation on an unfamiliar celestial body when there is a human around to oversee things first-hand and troubleshoot issues when (not if) they arise.

First Lunar habitats are going to be mostly underground anyway, and nuclear-powered. Not much is needed to terraform.

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Post by Razengan »

api wrote: post #15
njarboe wrote: post #7

'"I am more interested in maximizing the odds of success for this bold undertaking and making it as safe as any human journey into the deep space can be, than I am in having NASA meet arbitrary deadlines," Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson — a Democrat from Texas and the chairwoman of the House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology — said at a recent hearing.' Waiting to make a journey until it is "as safe as can be"…

It all starts when we leave the womb, which is a stupid reckless decision.

It all began when the Universe was created, which has made a lot of people very angry and is widely regarded as a bad move.

Re: A moon landing in 2024? NASA says it'll happen

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Post by btilly »

NASA's best bet is to bite the bullet, scrap the SLS already, and help pay for SpaceX's development.

SpaceX has a publicly announced rocket design that is capable of getting men to the Moon and back. They are working on it for themselves. They are looking for every source of funding that they can get. They already are planning suborbital flights this summer, and already are looking for it to be human rated by NASA.

Their announced timeline (which is probably ambitious but that is par for the course) includes suborbital flights this summer, aiming for orbit by 2020, going around the moon in 2022, going around the Moon with a human inside by 2023, and humans on the moon for 2024. They have a record of being ambitious, but also a record of launches. And nobody on the planet in recent years has developed more successful rockets or had more successful rockets than SpaceX. More impressively, nobody has done it so cheaply.

So...why isn't Trump talking to Elon Musk yet?

Re: A moon landing in 2024? NASA says it'll happen

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Post by mattigames »

johnchristopher wrote: post #25
njarboe wrote: post #7

'"I am more interested in maximizing the odds of success for this bold undertaking and making it as safe as any human journey into the deep space can be, than I am in having NASA meet arbitrary deadlines," Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson — a Democrat from Texas and the chairwoman of the House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology — said at a recent hearing.' Waiting to make a journey until it is "as safe as can be"…

"As safe as can be" doesn't mean "It's guaranteed nothing will go wrong". Best efforts vs. guaranteed delivery service.

"Safe as can be" is completely subjective, maybe in 1000 years it will be 100% safe due new technological advances and improvements in simulations, so "as safe as can be" is likely to be way after we are no longer alive.
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