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The End of Economic Growth? Unintended Consequences of a Declining Population [pdf]

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Re: The End of Economic Growth? Unintended Consequences of a Declining Population [pdf]

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Why would you care about economic growth in absolute terms instead of productivity per person?

Because wealth isn’t evenly spread and those that beat this drum are on the wealthy end of the spectrum.

Those seem like orthogonal problems to me.

(People beating the growth-growth-growth drum are also typically on the rich end of the spectrum btw).

Re: The End of Economic Growth? Unintended Consequences of a Declining Population [pdf]

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Is the idea that technological improvements are tied to _increasing_ population somehow? What's the mechanism there? Being only slightly facetious, but if everyone had no more than one child, that leaves a lot more time in which to invent stuff. And true, over time there will be fewer people doing the inventing, but a world with ~a billion people in it still managed to invent flight, and one with billions fewer than…

Exponential population growth leads into hyperbolic economic growth.

Re: The End of Economic Growth? Unintended Consequences of a Declining Population [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but one would then assume that in the age of automation, our productivity rates would be skyrocketing. It seems that that hasn't been the trend after the great recession [1]. Not to say that it couldn't change, but seems to me like there's some kind of narrative violation going on where "thought leaders" preach about automation, yet we can't see it in the statistics. Edit: Although, there's also a change that w…

Productivity by automation is constrained by the available energy, also economic growth could already be limited by the lack of availale energy. https://energyeconomicgrowth.org/sites/eeg.opml.co.uk/files/...

Solar panels are pretty cheap. If lack of energy were a problem, I'd expect a lot more of them.

Re: The End of Economic Growth? Unintended Consequences of a Declining Population [pdf]

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The important part of economic growth is GDP/capita, not total GDP. And if we are to keep growing GDP/capita without destroying the environment, a population decline is absolutely necessary. Increasing population is only economically beneficial in the most short term sense.

Re: The End of Economic Growth? Unintended Consequences of a Declining Population [pdf]

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because wealth isn’t evenly spread and those that beat this drum are on the wealthy end of the spectrum.

Those seem like orthogonal problems to me. (People beating the growth-growth-growth drum are also typically on the rich end of the spectrum btw).

Seems like we could have some other metrics that could also be relevant to our happiness here on Earth? Nah.

Or, I think I've heard it said better, "If the purpose of life isn't 'maximizing shareholder value', we're fucked".

Re: The End of Economic Growth? Unintended Consequences of a Declining Population [pdf]

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post #16

Why would you care about economic growth in absolute terms instead of productivity per person?

Cause two happy people is better than one very happy person

Why do you say that ? There is no argument for it.

Re: The End of Economic Growth? Unintended Consequences of a Declining Population [pdf]

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post #26
post #16

Why would you care about economic growth in absolute terms instead of productivity per person?

Cause two happy people is better than one very happy person

Neither productivity per person nor growth in absolute terms seem to capture that.

Re: The End of Economic Growth? Unintended Consequences of a Declining Population [pdf]

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post #26
post #16

Why would you care about economic growth in absolute terms instead of productivity per person?

Cause two happy people is better than one very happy person

We live in a multiverse, so there are plenty of happy people out there somewhere.

Re: The End of Economic Growth? Unintended Consequences of a Declining Population [pdf]

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post #25
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those seem like orthogonal problems to me. (People beating the growth-growth-growth drum are also typically on the rich end of the spectrum btw).

Seems like we could have some other metrics that could also be relevant to our happiness here on Earth? Nah. Or, I think I've heard it said better, "If the purpose of life isn't 'maximizing shareholder value', we're fucked".

Do you believe all the countries over the past 2 centuries that have enjoyed amazing economic growth are better or worse for it?
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